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[scotty]

Qadbak shouldn't be allowed on the grid, if what i've read about their involvement in various other F1 teams is true. USF1 will ultimately be good for the sport imo, so i wish them the best of luck.

I think thats more this guy called Russell King http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns21868.html

Dodgy character, faking the theft of a Aston Martin, why not just sell it idiot.

That's part of it, but i think some of the members own/have stakes in other businesses with F1 connections, for example Mubadala, who own 5% of Ferrari's shares. Conflict of interest much? They have links to other teams too, i can't remember who at the moment though.

its not that bad really, i mean Dietrich Mateschitz owns two teams.

Hmm yeah, forgot about that. However these people are involved with 3 or 4 teams so i'm not convinced that it won't become an issue somewhere down the line... guess i just don't trust an investment group (ie people who go out solely to make money) as a sporting entity.

[Jim Riven]

OK, I was just going on what Jim Riven said about BMW as I haven't read anything official about who blocked the 14th team.

If I recall correctly both BMW and Williams were against it, I cant be bothered to hunt down where I read this but I am sure both teams were named.

Campos joins Williams in refusing 14th team for 2010
http://www.f1network.net/boards/read/s491.htm?936,10921914,10930357


Hmmm.. I had to double check as it looked wrong while typing it[/quote]

Yeah.. it was my mistake, it was Campos. But I read it on a BMW site, my brain wasn't working when I posted.

[Gaz]

Qadbak shouldn't be allowed on the grid, if what i've read about their involvement in various other F1 teams is true. USF1 will ultimately be good for the sport imo, so i wish them the best of luck.

I think thats more this guy called Russell King http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns21868.html

Dodgy character, faking the theft of a Aston Martin, why not just sell it idiot.

That's part of it, but i think some of the members own/have stakes in other businesses with F1 connections, for example Mubadala, who own 5% of Ferrari's shares. Conflict of interest much? They have links to other teams too, i can't remember who at the moment though.

its not that bad really, i mean Dietrich Mateschitz owns two teams.

Hmm yeah, forgot about that. However these people are involved with 3 or 4 teams so i'm not convinced that it won't become an issue somewhere down the line... guess i just don't trust an investment group (ie people who go out solely to make money) as a sporting entity.

I can see it becoming an issue with lack of testing, or budget caps

If a big team like Mclaren, or Ferrari get a "b" team they could use it as a test team to try new components without wasting with the "A" team.

Or to simply double their development budget, £80mil per team x2...

I think the FIA should advise Dietrich Mateschitz to sell Torro Rosso then impose a rule that A team must be a separate entity than another team financially.

This would also stop Merc buying into Brawn while having investments in Mclaren.

[7UpJordan]

This would also stop Merc buying into Brawn while having investments in Mclaren.

So which would you rather happen then? Merc buying into Brawn and cutting ties with McLaren, or Merc staying onboard?

[Gaz]

This would also stop Merc buying into Brawn while having investments in Mclaren.

So which would you rather happen then? Merc buying into Brawn and cutting ties with McLaren, or Merc staying onboard?

Not fussed, i'm pretty sure Mclaren can manage on their own.

[myownalias]

McLaren were doing just fine before Mercedes bought into the team and I'm sure that they'll be just fine if Mercedes (are forced to, or by choice) sell their stake in McLaren.

I would love to see McLaren develop their own engine maybe in conjunction with BMW as they've had so much success together in GT Racing with the McLaren F1!

[scotty]

This would also stop Merc buying into Brawn while having investments in Mclaren.

So which would you rather happen then? Merc buying into Brawn and cutting ties with McLaren, or Merc staying onboard?

Not fussed, i'm pretty sure Mclaren can manage on their own.

Yep, and hopefully they will bring their own engines to F1 in the future - the more the merrier in my eyes.

[Gaz]

This would also stop Merc buying into Brawn while having investments in Mclaren.

So which would you rather happen then? Merc buying into Brawn and cutting ties with McLaren, or Merc staying onboard?

Not fussed, i'm pretty sure Mclaren can manage on their own.

Yep, and hopefully they will bring their own engines to F1 in the future - the more the merrier in my eyes.

Well they have built there own V8 for the new supercar, don't see why they can't build an F1 v8 - that said its getting it powerful and reliable enough to compete from the get go, that might be very hard to do.

And might mean Mclaren suffer for a few years at the high speed circuits for a few seasons.

Or they might just make a Merc Clone?

[darwin dali]

If we wanted complete financial separation between teams, then what about Santander sponsoring Ferrari and McLaren?

[Gaz]

If we wanted complete financial separation between teams, then what about Santander sponsoring Ferrari and McLaren?

Yeh but they have no financial ownership of the teams.

Therefore no REAL say within the team.

[Jim Riven]

If we wanted complete financial separation between teams, then what about Santander sponsoring Ferrari and McLaren?

Yeh but they have no financial ownership of the teams.

Therefore no REAL say within the team.

Unless you count the role the drivers play.

Alonso

[texasmr2]

If we wanted complete financial separation between teams, then what about Santander sponsoring Ferrari and McLaren?

Yeh but they have no financial ownership of the teams.

Therefore no REAL say within the team.

I'm taking a shot here so please bare with me ok? Regarding your mention of a sponsor not having any 'financial ownership' of a team is true but said sponsorship could very well be the 'KEY' to being a frontrunner or a midfield team? Just as driver's have 'performance clauses' in their contract's within a team I know the sponsor's have them aswell.

F1 is now more of a 'Sponsorship amount' driven sport than a "I have a past WDC winner on my team" which has been proven many time's. If I missed something or strayed please correct me as I tend to do that .

tex

[myownalias]

If we wanted complete financial separation between teams, then what about Santander sponsoring Ferrari and McLaren?

Yeh but they have no financial ownership of the teams.

Therefore no REAL say within the team.

That isn't quite true as Virgin put the brakes on possible talk of Nelson Piquet Jr joining Manor GP!

[scotty]

Didn't think this warranted a whole thread towards it so i'll just stick it here:

US F1 interested in Kyle Busch for 2011

By Jonathan Noble Thursday, October 22nd 2009, 08:28 GMT

NASCAR race-winner Kyle Busch has been singled out as a key target of the new Team US F1 outfit, as it continues its preparations to enter grand prix racing in 2010.

Although US F1 is unlikely to field an American driver for its debut campaign, as AUTOSPORT reported last month, the team is keen to get a home-grown driver in for 2011.

And sporting director Peter Windsor has said that Busch is high on his list of contenders for 2011 - and would like him to test the car next year.

Speaking to USA Today, Windsor said: "If he wanted to drive for us in 2011, we'd certainly be keen on that.

"I think there'll be a lot of speculation about that as time goes on. If I was Kyle, I'd be saying to myself, yeah, those guys all talk the talk, let's see what they do, let's see what the car's like.

"Let's see what the race shop is like. Fair enough. We're going to do a good job. I know when Kyle gets to see it, I'm pretty sure it'll get his pulse rate going."

He added: "I've watched him a lot and have massive respect for him. I know people who know him very well. I believe Kyle can win a world championship in Formula 1. I think he's got exactly the right talent, the right approach. I'd love to see him in a Formula 1 car.

"If he wants to jump in our car next year for doing some demonstrations here in the States, he's very welcome to do that."

Windsor has revealed that he has already met with Busch's business team, and he is well aware that the American driver's contract with Joe Gibbs Racing expires at the end of next season.

Busch himself said earlier this year that he would not totally rule out a switch to F1, providing he achieved title success in NASCAR.

"It's definitely something I wouldn't shoot down," he was quoted as saying shortly after the official launch of US F1. "If I could win a championship (in NASCAR) in the next two or three years then I wouldn't mind going doing (F1) for a few years and coming back.

"I think I'd still be young enough that if I could win a championship by 25, go run Formula 1 for a few years and be back (in NASCAR) by 28."

In some ways it'd be interesting to see how a NASCAR driver actually fared in F1...

[texasmr2]

In some ways it'd be interesting to see how a NASCAR driver actually fared in F1...

Yes it would be very interesting and good for the sport !!!!!!!!