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By csrracer
#78565
Jacques Villeneuve is the least gifted champion. The FW19 was the best car of the season by a million miles. How the title race went down to the wire was unbelievable. Damon Hill, although not as bad as what many people say, is probably second worst. He did put in the odd good shift and was a solid test driver, so at least he had something going for him. As I've said before, one thing that really lets Williams down is a team is that they've never really had an iconic driver. They've had a couple of legends drive for them, but only for a year or two or on and off.


Both of them were talented enough to Beat Schumacher, and they were both WDC, not every driver in F1 can make that claim.
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By McLaren Fan
#78571
Even I could have beaten Schumacher in 1996 and 1997 driving an FW18 and -19.
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By onelapdown
#78572
Even I could have beaten Schumacher in 1996 and 1997 driving an FW18 and -19.

Not if I'd been in the other one... :hehe:
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By scotty
#78640
Jacques Villeneuve is the least gifted champion. The FW19 was the best car of the season by a million miles. How the title race went down to the wire was unbelievable. Damon Hill, although not as bad as what many people say, is probably second worst. He did put in the odd good shift and was a solid test driver, so at least he had something going for him. As I've said before, one thing that really lets Williams down is a team is that they've never really had an iconic driver. They've had a couple of legends drive for them, but only for a year or two or on and off.


It's Nigel Mansell!!! i'd be amazed if any other Williams fan here said any different... :)
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By csrracer
#78682
Jacques Villeneuve is the least gifted champion. The FW19 was the best car of the season by a million miles. How the title race went down to the wire was unbelievable. Damon Hill, although not as bad as what many people say, is probably second worst. He did put in the odd good shift and was a solid test driver, so at least he had something going for him. As I've said before, one thing that really lets Williams down is a team is that they've never really had an iconic driver. They've had a couple of legends drive for them, but only for a year or two or on and off.


It's Nigel Mansell!!! i'd be amazed if any other Williams fan here said any different... :)


Let's Go with Nigel Mansell that way I don't have to try and defend JV.
By vintage
#78714
Compared to Schumi & Alonso, Lewis is the weakest champ of recent times.
Feel free to make your own comparisons between the 3.

A real champ would have driven for the win. Lewis didn't

Lewis is champion not by his own good driving, he was 6th and not champion till the championship was gifted to him. Not the way to become WDC.

A real champ like the previous to were fighters and would have won on the back of there own skill not somone else's lack of it. Lewis didn't.

I don't think you can compare him to Schumi.


i dont have too high an opinion of hamilton but seriously, this is getting ridiculous. dont say hamilton is a weak champion. sure, he is weak in some areas such as driving for the win. he may have gotten too excited with a pass and made a mistake. he also wouldnt want to get in any scuffle with a ferrari or toro rosso due to the stewards. even though i love ferrari, some of those decisions against hamilton were completely stupid so he should have had more points going into brazil. hamilton won the championship...GET OVER IT. im sick of conspiracy theories about glock or putting hamilton down for extremely stupid reasons. hamilton won now us ferrari lovers or other fans can look forward to next year, hoping someone else takes the WDC...maybe kubica????? (with a competitive car for the whole season)
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By mazza369
#78727
To be honest, to be world champion you need to have the best combination of car skill, luck, tactics, reliability, and the team and car underneath you and this year that was Lewis Hamilton in the McLaren, just like in 1997 it was Villeneuve driving the Williams.

F1 isn't all about the driver, if that's what you want you watch A1 GP.
By dant
#79072
Compared to Schumi & Alonso, Lewis is the weakest champ of recent times.
Feel free to make your own comparisons between the 3.

A real champ would have driven for the win. Lewis didn't

Lewis is champion not by his own good driving, he was 6th and not champion till the championship was gifted to him. Not the way to become WDC.

A real champ like the previous to were fighters and would have won on the back of there own skill not somone else's lack of it. Lewis didn't.

I don't think you can compare him to Schumi.



That would have made Massa an even weaker one then had he won it, yes?
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By onelapdown
#79074
Compared to Schumi & Alonso, Lewis is the weakest champ of recent times.
Feel free to make your own comparisons between the 3.

A real champ would have driven for the win. Lewis didn't

Lewis is champion not by his own good driving, he was 6th and not champion till the championship was gifted to him. Not the way to become WDC.

A real champ like the previous two were fighters and would have won on the back of there own skill not someone else's lack of it. Lewis didn't.

I don't think you can compare him to Schumi.


I think if you compare anyone to Schumacher and Alonso, you're comparing them to two of the smartest drivers in motorsport history, so while I'm not saying Hamilton won't go on to achieve his own place in motorsport folklore, I don't think just edging out a title in your second season is much to be ashamed of.

Talking about Lewis going for the win, you only have to go back to Japan to see why Lewis would have been reticent to do this. He'd already been burnt by this philosophy too many times. Also he was on his second race with the same engine, while both Ferraris were on fresh ones, at a track where Ferraris tend to run extremely well anyway. There's no shame in setting realistic targets.

Then there's the idea that somehow he drove a bad race in Brazil. Not true. He did exactly what was needed, and had driven an extremely mature race all the way through. It was only the rain at the end that threw a spanner in the works.

As for "how champions win titles", I could point to Schumacher's 2002 title as a classic example of how not to win it. Ferrari had such a good car they were nailed on to win it virtually from the first race, but still persisted with disgraceful team orders in Austria, and I recall the race where Schumacher made sure of the title - France - where Schumacher was quite happy to sit behind Raikkonen and settle for the 6 points up until Raikkonen slid off on oil. That might have been fine if those 6 points had given him the title in the penultimate or last round, but there were still six races left. Frankly, I found that pretty lame from the greatest driver of his generation.

And then you should look at people like Niki Lauda - undoubtedly a great champion. If you'd asked him on lap 65 what sort of a race Hamilton had had, he probably would have said it was a performance he would have been proud of. Lauda always made sure he did just enough, never went for the big risks if he could play safe and still get good points, and none other than Ayrton Senna heaped praise on the intelligent way Lauda went about things. So it's not true to say great champions always have to go for the big daring win.

As for all-time comparisons with other drivers, it's simply too early with Hamilton. However you can compare individual performances, and on that count Hamilton has produced some all-time classic performances this year (and some classic howlers...)
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By KyrosV
#79075
And then you should look at people like Niki Lauda - undoubtedly a great champion. If you'd asked him on lap 65 what sort of a race Hamilton had had, he probably would have said it was a performance he would have been proud of. Lauda always made sure he did just enough, never went for the big risks if he could play safe and still get good points, and none other than Ayrton Senna heaped praise on the intelligent way Lauda went about things. So it's not true to say great champions always have to go for the big daring win.

Ask Sir stirling moss :wink:
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By csrracer
#79125
And then you should look at people like Niki Lauda - undoubtedly a great champion. If you'd asked him on lap 65 what sort of a race Hamilton had had, he probably would have said it was a performance he would have been proud of. Lauda always made sure he did just enough, never went for the big risks if he could play safe and still get good points, and none other than Ayrton Senna heaped praise on the intelligent way Lauda went about things. So it's not true to say great champions always have to go for the big daring win.

Ask Sir stirling moss :wink:


The Hamilton Doubters and Haters bashed him all year saying he was immature and an idiot for going for the win last year, when all he had to do was cruise in and earn 2 points. This year Hamilton did exactly what was needed to win the championship, he pushed were he needed to and took it easy on his car. Now the doubters and haters are saying he should have went for the win. I think Hamilton showed that he learned something from last year's mistakes, but only time will tell if he's going to be considered one of F1s great champions...
He has my Vote.
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