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[kerc]

Lewis couldn't avoid Romain; if you look at the video carefully, Lewis sticks to his line because Romain is close, but stable. But suddenly, Romain swerves to the right, and that's when he hits Lewis. No way in hell he could avoid that.

[Revvenge]

Lewis couldn't avoid Romain; if you look at the video carefully, Lewis sticks to his line because Romain is close, but stable. But suddenly, Romain swerves to the right, and that's when he hits Lewis. No way in hell he could avoid that.

That and I doubt anyone takes into account someone comes from across the track that fast to cut you off at the start like that

[geetface9]

Lewis couldn't avoid Romain; if you look at the video carefully, Lewis sticks to his line because Romain is close, but stable. But suddenly, Romain swerves to the right, and that's when he hits Lewis. No way in hell he could avoid that.

That and I doubt anyone takes into account someone comes from across the track that fast to cut you off at the start like that

Agreed. Grosjean came over so quickly and seemingly out of nowhere, hamilton would have to have inhuman reaction times to really have done anything or know what was about to happen, and there isn't much he could have done to stop the incident from happening anyway.

[LiamCatterson]

I think you guys are being too hard with Grosjean. Of course I think he did a very stupid action today, and he deserve this penalty, but i think it was no his intention to make this disaster on first corner. And don't forget other dangerous actions made by other drivers, for example, the Hungary Grand Prix in 2010, when Schumacher was near of push Barrichello into the walls, and he only recive a ten-place penalty for it.

Sorry but he knew Hamilton was on the race track, his clumsy errors caused Hamilton to crash and Grosjean deliberately caused that crash, he nearly killed Alonso FFS

[LiamCatterson]

What was done was done. But someone should remember to Hamilton also that his hands are on a wheel and his left foot is on the brake, he did nothing to evade the contact with Grosjean, a smart thing that a smart person will do knowing that a F1 race isn't won in the first corner. Ofc what Grosjean did + Hamilton's "day dreaming instead of driving" had a disappointing result today.
I'm an adept of the saying "you make your own luck with your own hand", wished Hamilton had the presence of spirit to avoid Grosjean even if that meant some lost positions, without a doubt he could overcome it in the next laps.
Once again, I'm not blaming Hamilton for that incident, wished he would managed it better and be able to continue the race.

Yeah! The same goes for Alonso.

You would say the same for Kobayashi, poor guy ( I was expecting a brilliant race from him) got screwed by Grosjean/Hamilton's incident. All in all, wished Hamilton tried to evade Grosjean (without a doubt, he was able to avoid it but he didn't do it), the sad truth is that lots of drivers payed for that incident.
Thx GOD Alonso wasn't hurt, he was quite close to suffer a major injury.

Yeah...Hamilton 'backing off' and causing more of an accident behind him....GREAT f***ing IDEA

[stonemonkey]

[........ All in all, wished Hamilton tried to evade Grosjean (without a doubt, he was able to avoid it but he didn't do it), the sad truth is that lots of drivers payed for that incident.
Thx GOD Alonso wasn't hurt, he was quite close to suffer a major injury.

You say 'without a doubt' Hamilton could have done something to avoid that, what exactly could he have done?

Grosjean came across the track quickly and locked wheels with Hamilton, if Hamilton braked out of sync with Grosjean their tyres would touch and launch one of them into the air towards the hairpin, if Hamilton tried to move away from Grosjean he would be putting his right wheels onto the grass in the braking zone for the hairpin and would either be unable to brake or spin the car under braking. Hamilton did everything perfectly under the circumstances in my opinion and there was nothing else he could have done.

[geetface9]

[........ All in all, wished Hamilton tried to evade Grosjean (without a doubt, he was able to avoid it but he didn't do it), the sad truth is that lots of drivers payed for that incident.
Thx GOD Alonso wasn't hurt, he was quite close to suffer a major injury.

You say 'without a doubt' Hamilton could have done something to avoid that, what exactly could he have done?

Grosjean came across the track quickly and locked wheels with Hamilton, if Hamilton braked out of sync with Grosjean their tyres would touch and launch one of them into the air towards the hairpin, if Hamilton tried to move away from Grosjean he would be putting his right wheels onto the grass in the braking zone for the hairpin and would either be unable to brake or spin the car under braking. Hamilton did everything perfectly under the circumstances in my opinion and there was nothing else he could have done.

[killem2]

Grosjean triggered an accident between mutiple drivers and the way he darted the car with no care whatsoever means the ban is put in place Grosjean was dangerous and caused a serious accident that affected multiple cars while Coulthards was an erroras Grosjean took out Hamilton who had nowhere to while he flew forward coz Hamilton was out of control which was his fault no doubt it was a completely unacceptable move which could have put in hospital plus that is no worthy of a formula 1 driver its worthy of cheap and silly rookies in feeder series

With NO CARE? bullpoo on that, and I'll kindly ask you to stfu.

To the rest, yeah it was unfortunate with what he did. Do I believe he did it on purpose? No. Grosean saw a gap, he went for it, and boom. Like most starts in F1, it is a heated 20-30 seconds. Why do you think there are almost no penalties given on what normally snags drives thrus mid race? Race control understands it is almost impossible to know exactly what will happen with the start of each race.

Maldanado is a far more reckless driver, and just because he has gotten LUCKY and not caused any catastrophic accidents, doesn't mean Grosean is now a class A F1 monster. Take note that pastor jumped off the start this race, and yet again lady luck prevails to keep him out of harms way. That kind of stuff can get people into some major accidents. Its not liike grosean hit hamiliton and said, well f*** it, I'm already out, hammy is out too, I think i will use my jedi mind powers to take out alonso and if I'm lucky kobiashi as well! WEEE!!

Pull your heads out of your asses for a moment and read what you are typing. He got his race ban, pretty solid punishment by race standards considering the last 3 years of nanny punishment race control has been handing down. I also agree hamiliton could have saved this race. Other than Alonzo and schumi, those three should have the racing senses to react quick enough to someone coming over.

Besides all that, I watched that start as it happened with the player I was using, reduced the speed to basically 1/4 speed, Pastor jumped way over everyone else, leaving a HUGE gap between grosean and the rest of the pack at that point. If Pastor had not jumped, there would have been a big ol fat williams between hammy and grosean.

Either way, lay off grosean, christ sakes. He got the damn punishment, which I think is completely fair, and what I was hoping for. I personally think pastor should have been shafted to the back of the grid for the sheer history he has had this year, but that kid is never going to learn so it doesn't really matter.

[LRW]

Grosjean triggered an accident between mutiple drivers and the way he darted the car with no care whatsoever means the ban is put in place Grosjean was dangerous and caused a serious accident that affected multiple cars while Coulthards was an erroras Grosjean took out Hamilton who had nowhere to while he flew forward coz Hamilton was out of control which was his fault no doubt it was a completely unacceptable move which could have put in hospital plus that is no worthy of a formula 1 driver its worthy of cheap and silly rookies in feeder series

With NO CARE? bullpoo on that, and I'll kindly ask you to stfu.

How can you ask someone to 'shut the f*** up' just for stating their opinion. Far too harsh a reaction!!!

[racechick]

Agreed. Nin-Chin is entitled to his view.

[stonemonkey]

..... I also agree hamiliton could have saved this race. Other than Alonzo and schumi, those three should have the racing senses to react quick enough to someone coming over.
.......

Unfortunately Lewis hasn't been bitten by a radioactive spider.

At what point does it become apparent that Grosjean isn't going to stop coming across the track?

[Nin-Chin]

Grosjean triggered an accident between mutiple drivers and the way he darted the car with no care whatsoever means the ban is put in place Grosjean was dangerous and caused a serious accident that affected multiple cars while Coulthards was an erroras Grosjean took out Hamilton who had nowhere to while he flew forward coz Hamilton was out of control which was his fault no doubt it was a completely unacceptable move which could have put in hospital plus that is no worthy of a formula 1 driver its worthy of cheap and silly rookies in feeder series

With NO CARE? bullpoo on that, and I'll kindly ask you to stfu.

To the rest, yeah it was unfortunate with what he did. Do I believe he did it on purpose? No. Grosean saw a gap, he went for it, and boom. Like most starts in F1, it is a heated 20-30 seconds. Why do you think there are almost no penalties given on what normally snags drives thrus mid race? Race control understands it is almost impossible to know exactly what will happen with the start of each race.

Maldanado is a far more reckless driver, and just because he has gotten LUCKY and not caused any catastrophic accidents, doesn't mean Grosean is now a class A F1 monster. Take note that pastor jumped off the start this race, and yet again lady luck prevails to keep him out of harms way. That kind of stuff can get people into some major accidents. Its not liike grosean hit hamiliton and said, well f*** it, I'm already out, hammy is out too, I think i will use my jedi mind powers to take out alonso and if I'm lucky kobiashi as well! WEEE!!

Pull your heads out of your asses for a moment and read what you are typing. He got his race ban, pretty solid punishment by race standards considering the last 3 years of nanny punishment race control has been handing down. I also agree hamiliton could have saved this race. Other than Alonzo and schumi, those three should have the racing senses to react quick enough to someone coming over.

Besides all that, I watched that start as it happened with the player I was using, reduced the speed to basically 1/4 speed, Pastor jumped way over everyone else, leaving a HUGE gap between grosean and the rest of the pack at that point. If Pastor had not jumped, there would have been a big ol fat williams between hammy and grosean.

Either way, lay off grosean, christ sakes. He got the damn punishment, which I think is completely fair, and what I was hoping for. I personally think pastor should have been shafted to the back of the grid for the sheer history he has had this year, but
that kid is never going to learn so it doesn't really matter.

He had nearly the entire circuit to himself so there was no reason to move across the circuit if he was having a go at Perez he would have taken him out plus I saw the replays Romain actually looked in the mirror and still crowded a car and this is why he got a one race ban got it now!

[Revvenge]

What bothers me is that taking out championship contenders apparently is taken into account when they hand out their penalties. While I can imagine situations where that's relevant (if a teammate or a driver of a sister team would drive into your main championship rival, for instance, or if it were to happen in the last race), however I don't see how it was relevant now. It was the start of the race and I doubt there was much time to think who's a championship contender and who isn't. It's a competitive field now, so the championship contenders won't be all starting from the front two rows and jump away easily at the start. They will be in the fray and they might get hit. That's how racing goes. The fact that Grosjean made a mistake here is clear to me, but I find it weird the fact it was championship contenders taken out played some kind of part in the penalty. Not to mention the fact I feel he should've gotten a warning that he'd be banned the next time he'd do it, instead of a ban straight away.

[racechick]

I absolutely agree that who gets hit shouldnt come into the equation, be it championship contender or HRT, if the crime is the same then the punishment should be the same. It's unfortunate if its a championship contender, but tthat shouldn't factor when dishing out penalties. Thats a dangerous route to go down.

[cheekybru]

What bothers me is that taking out championship contenders apparently is taken into account when they hand out their penalties. While I can imagine situations where that's relevant (if a teammate or a driver of a sister team would drive into your main championship rival, for instance, or if it were to happen in the last race), however I don't see how it was relevant now. It was the start of the race and I doubt there was much time to think who's a championship contender and who isn't. It's a competitive field now, so the championship contenders won't be all starting from the front two rows and jump away easily at the start. They will be in the fray and they might get hit. That's how racing goes. The fact that Grosjean made a mistake here is clear to me, but I find it weird the fact it was championship contenders taken out played some kind of part in the penalty. Not to mention the fact I feel he should've gotten a warning that he'd be banned the next time he'd do it, instead of a ban straight away.

Indeed the first itme ive seen that on the wording of the penalty, it might aswell of just said "because you hit Fernando Alonso"