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[Jose Lorca]

what's that word... what's that word...

The last I heard, Bird was the word...

[JackMaster]

I recently watched Vettel and Schumi on TV and they behaved as a good father and his most beloved son. You know, his mentor, his friend, his advisor. I feel that their destiny is to be together at Mercedes; anyway I hope that Sebastian doesn’t learn bad things from daddy, only the good ones.

[texasmr2]

I recently watched Vettel and Schumi on TV and they behaved as a good father and his most beloved son. You know, his mentor, his friend, his advisor. I feel that their destiny is to be together at Mercedes; anyway I hope that Sebastian doesn’t learn bad things from daddy, only the good ones.

Just like Senna was (RIP) Michael if nothing is a great mentor to great talent and I have no doubt he see's that in Lewis.

[Robert12010]

I recently watched Vettel and Schumi on TV and they behaved as a good father and his most beloved son. You know, his mentor, his friend, his advisor. I feel that their destiny is to be together at Mercedes; anyway I hope that Sebastian doesn’t learn bad things from daddy, only the good ones.

Just like Senna was (RIP) Michael if nothing is a great mentor to great talent and I have no doubt he see's that in Lewis.

well can you imagine if vettel and hamilton were together in a team, they would be almost unbeatable

[FRAFPDD]

I recently watched Vettel and Schumi on TV and they behaved as a good father and his most beloved son. You know, his mentor, his friend, his advisor. I feel that their destiny is to be together at Mercedes; anyway I hope that Sebastian doesn’t learn bad things from daddy, only the good ones.

Just like Senna was (RIP) Michael if nothing is a great mentor to great talent and I have no doubt he see's that in Lewis.

well can you imagine if vettel and hamilton were together in a team, they would be almost unbeatable

unbeatable in the sense that they would let no man stand in the way of their common desire to crash? (coming from a hammy fan too!)

[Robert12010]

I recently watched Vettel and Schumi on TV and they behaved as a good father and his most beloved son. You know, his mentor, his friend, his advisor. I feel that their destiny is to be together at Mercedes; anyway I hope that Sebastian doesn’t learn bad things from daddy, only the good ones.

Just like Senna was (RIP) Michael if nothing is a great mentor to great talent and I have no doubt he see's that in Lewis.

well can you imagine if vettel and hamilton were together in a team, they would be almost unbeatable

unbeatable in the sense that they would let no man stand in the way of their common desire to crash? (coming from a hammy fan too!)

lol!

[texasmr2]

They are both young drivers with a will to win at any cost yet then again they are only human and make mistakes. With time and experience I see greater things happening for both, it will be very exciting to watch .

[FRAFPDD]

They are both young drivers with a will to win at any cost yet then again they are only human and make mistakes. With time and experience I see greater things happening for both, it will be very exciting to watch .

Perhaps, i personally dont see Vettel in the same calibre, would go into it but i risk total derailment of the thread. I also dont see Vettel ever improving racecraft significantly and i dont see Hamilton ever completing a year without making at least one controversial mistake. Or Alonso waving that self righteous fist to someone etc. If someone could post me the percentage of Vettels wins from pole youd see what i mean. So in a nutshell unless Vettels car is quite a lot better then the next Ferrari or Mclaren, hes a one timer.

[texasmr2]

Could be and that's what we are all here to do, discuss opinion's.

[Robert12010]

They are both young drivers with a will to win at any cost yet then again they are only human and make mistakes. With time and experience I see greater things happening for both, it will be very exciting to watch .

Perhaps, i personally dont see Vettel in the same calibre, would go into it but i risk total derailment of the thread. I also dont see Vettel ever improving racecraft significantly and i dont see Hamilton ever completing a year without making at least one controversial mistake. Or Alonso waving that self righteous fist to someone etc. If someone could post me the percentage of Vettels wins from pole youd see what i mean. So in a nutshell unless Vettels car is quite a lot better then the next Ferrari or Mclaren, hes a one timer.

i think its fair to say its almost impossible to have a ''mistake-free'' year, but with time and experience, those mistakes can be minimised

[FRAFPDD]

They are both young drivers with a will to win at any cost yet then again they are only human and make mistakes. With time and experience I see greater things happening for both, it will be very exciting to watch .

Perhaps, i personally dont see Vettel in the same calibre, would go into it but i risk total derailment of the thread. I also dont see Vettel ever improving racecraft significantly and i dont see Hamilton ever completing a year without making at least one controversial mistake. Or Alonso waving that self righteous fist to someone etc. If someone could post me the percentage of Vettels wins from pole youd see what i mean. So in a nutshell unless Vettels car is quite a lot better then the next Ferrari or Mclaren, hes a one timer.

i think its fair to say its almost impossible to have a ''mistake-free'' year, but with time and experience, those mistakes can be minimised

i dont remember Button putting a foot wrong this past year?

[texasmr2]

i dont remember Button putting a foot wrong this past year?

I would agree but you must realize he has many years of experience over them both , I like JB so I'm not hounding in any way.

[Robert12010]

They are both young drivers with a will to win at any cost yet then again they are only human and make mistakes. With time and experience I see greater things happening for both, it will be very exciting to watch .

Perhaps, i personally dont see Vettel in the same calibre, would go into it but i risk total derailment of the thread. I also dont see Vettel ever improving racecraft significantly and i dont see Hamilton ever completing a year without making at least one controversial mistake. Or Alonso waving that self righteous fist to someone etc. If someone could post me the percentage of Vettels wins from pole youd see what i mean. So in a nutshell unless Vettels car is quite a lot better then the next Ferrari or Mclaren, hes a one timer.

i think its fair to say its almost impossible to have a ''mistake-free'' year, but with time and experience, those mistakes can be minimised

i dont remember Button putting a foot wrong this past year?

well youre right

[CarBore]

They are both young drivers with a will to win at any cost yet then again they are only human and make mistakes. With time and experience I see greater things happening for both, it will be very exciting to watch .

Perhaps, i personally dont see Vettel in the same calibre, would go into it but i risk total derailment of the thread. I also dont see Vettel ever improving racecraft significantly and i dont see Hamilton ever completing a year without making at least one controversial mistake. Or Alonso waving that self righteous fist to someone etc. If someone could post me the percentage of Vettels wins from pole youd see what i mean. So in a nutshell unless Vettels car is quite a lot better then the next Ferrari or Mclaren, hes a one timer.

Pre 2010 his record from pole was actually pretty good and a significant number of his 2010 failures to convert were from mechanical failures.

failure to convert bolded

2008 Monza
2009 China
2009 Turkey
2009 British
2009 Japanese
2010 Bahrain: Sparkplug
2010 Australia: Wheel nut
2010 China
2010 Valencia
2010 British: Punture, although we could debate whether he put himself in that position
2010 German
2010 Hungarian
2010 Japanese
2010 Korean: Engine failure
2010 Abu Dhabi

7/15 wins from pole: 46.7%

discounting factors out of his control

7/12: 58.3%

I wonder what the % wins from pole has been in recent years in F1, probably better than that. Come to think of it wonder how much that statistic changes if you remove schumi's Ferrari years...

Only time will tell on this one, people do outgrow maturity problems when they go from early 20s to their early 30s.

[CarBore]

Did a little digging last few years pole-wins

2010 8/19
2009 9/17
2008 8/18
2007 11/17
2006 10/18
2005 9/19

seems to float around the 50% give or a take a race or so