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[Gert]

Re The rear view of the F60 above (26936_090003mug.jpg (111.88 KiB))

Bloody hell, Ferrari are using illegal tyres too -

[racechick]

If those mirrors are removed by first race then no probs but why fit them in the first place. Tyres are different, you know that

[Matkins]

As FerrariFan, Tex and Gert have pointed out; it doesn't matter if the car is illegal at the moment because we're not in season. But surely it matters to the teams in question, what do you think the point of developing and testing these parts is (newly developed parts, not just re-using last years like many teams have done) if they can't use them next season. It's not like they have tons of time to spare here, this is a more hectic time than usual to get the cars ready.

Denthul rightly points out that F1 has always been about pushing the boundaries of the regs, because that is how to be competitive. But 3 teams have voiced that they believe Ferrari have gone beyond the regs with the current design and believe they will have to change it.

Perhaps Ferrari have made a mistake that is going to cost them valuable time. Or perhaps they have a heads up about what they can get away with this year, something which the other teams wont know until Melbourne, giving Ferrari a head start. I can't decide which is more likely. If you think that the later is a bit too wacko to be true, and would rather believe that Ferrari are just being bold without any inside information, explain why they're taking such a risk. Do the current champions need to gamble? I would expect them to play safe.

[Ferrari man 009]

As FerrariFan, Tex and Gert have pointed out; it doesn't matter if the car is illegal at the moment because we're not in season. But surely it matters to the teams in question, what do you think the point of developing and testing these parts is (newly developed parts, not just re-using last years like many teams have done) if they can't use them next season. It's not like they have tons of time to spare here, this is a more hectic time than usual to get the cars ready.

Denthul rightly points out that F1 has always been about pushing the boundaries of the regs, because that is how to be competitive. But 3 teams have voiced that they believe Ferrari have gone beyond the regs with the current design and believe they will have to change it.

Perhaps Ferrari have made a mistake that is going to cost them valuable time. Or perhaps they have a heads up about what they can get away with this year, something which the other teams wont know until Melbourne, giving Ferrari a head start. I can't decide which is more likely. If you think that the later is a bit too wacko to be true, and would rather believe that Ferrari are just being bold without any inside information, explain why they're taking such a risk. Do the current champions need to gamble? I would expect them to play safe.

What's the point of the other teams protesting it now. All it does is wastes their time and maybe Ferrari did this as a ploy to unsettle other teams.

[Gert]

The truth is that somebody at Toyota mentioned to a German journo that the current version of the '09 Fezza's exhausts weren't in keeping with the rules, presumably in response to a question asking him/her to comment on said exhausts.

All of a sudden it's news - which should come as no surprise at this time of the year with so little else going on.

I fully expect either the F60 to be legal by the Oz GP or that the rules will have been adjusted to suit as the chances that Ferrari would allow themselves to be the subject of a protest are minimal -& this includes the mirror supports.

[racechick]

Maybe Ferrari know they wont be the subject of a protest. The teams want to keep them sweet to defeat the bigger evil of Max and bernie. Lets hope you're right and Ferrari get things legal but if they dont make alterations thay have certainly gone against the teams agreed intent when it drew up the new regs.

[Denthúl]

Maybe Ferrari know they wont be the subject of a protest. The teams want to keep them sweet to defeat the bigger evil of Max and bernie. Lets hope you're right and Ferrari get things legal but if they dont make alterations thay have certainly gone against the teams agreed intent when it drew up the new regs.

Assuming these do actually fall outside the regulations. I'm not going to read through them (again) because it just hurt my head last time, but none of us actually know whether or not that is the case.

[racechick]

Maybe Ferrari know they wont be the subject of a protest. The teams want to keep them sweet to defeat the bigger evil of Max and bernie. Lets hope you're right and Ferrari get things legal but if they dont make alterations thay have certainly gone against the teams agreed intent when it drew up the new regs.

Assuming these do actually fall outside the regulations. I'm not going to read through them (again) because it just hurt my head last time, but none of us actually know whether or not that is the case.

Yes of course. I must confess to not having read them a first time, I doubt I would understand much of it. Im going by Mark Hughes's observations, he's usually pretty good technically.

[bud]

1.4 Bodywork :
All entirely sprung parts of the car in contact with the external air stream, except cameras, camera housings and the parts definitely associated with the mechanical functioning of the engine, transmission and running gear. Airboxes, radiators and engine exhausts are considered to be part of the bodywork

while it doesnt say Mirrors they are not camera's

Other than the rear view mirrors (including their mountings), each with a maximum area of 12000mm² and
14000 mm2 when viewed from directly above or directly from the side respectively, no bodywork situated
more than 330mm behind the front wheel centre line and more than 330mm forward of the rear wheel
centre line, which is more than 600mm above the reference plane, may be more than 300mm from the
centre line of the car.

I think some teams will be making complaints with the mirrors come Melbourne.

[McLaren Fan]

From F1 Live:

Ferrari has now modified the rear exhaust outlets of its new F60, after rivals expressed concern about the launch design's legality.

Numerous teams, including McLaren Mercedes, BMW Sauber and Toyota, had questioned the design of the exposed exhaust pipes.

It was reported that the 2009 Ferrari contravened the new bodywork regulations cracking down on aerodynamic appendages like winglets and other accessories.

It now emerges that Ferrari has modified the design so that the pipes do not protrude beyond the allowed tolerance above the surface of the bodywork.

It should be noted that Ferrari's controversial design complied with the original 2009 regulations, but a clarification about exhaust pipes was subsequently made in September by FIA technical delegate Charlie Whiting.

Source: GMM
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