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The counter argument seems to be:
* track temps / tyre pressures
* Glock struggles with traction
* it was too wet
None of this deals with the following:
(1) Hamilton gaining 15+ seconds on Glock in the last 30 seconds of the race
Glock lost time because he had no traction.
(2) The track is drying as their hasnt been rain for some time
Wrong it started to rain harder glock said it himself - get your facts straight
(3) The track is obviously and relatively dry compared to the preceding laps
Wrong against and isn't that the same at point 2 so now you repeating your stupid arguments!
(4) Glock's split times show he is not suffering substantively from the conditions
Wrong again he lost time at every speed trap compared to other drivers.
(5) The conditions for DRY TYRES are improving not worsening
No they were not it got wetter - this is the same as point 2 and 3 so reapting the same thing!
(6) There is no direct handling of the incident in the media by Glock, Toyota, McLaren or the stewards
What incident? there is no incident glock got passed by 2 people because he had no traction its racing you fool!
(7) The incident is at least worthy of the questions being asked but it is noticeably lacking and not for the want of evidence.
If they ask questions about this, lets as questions about China when Kimi had to slow down to let Massa past how can you whine about this when it was BLATANT team orders in china.
It is understandable and reasonable when it is teaming down with rain, or where there are clear traction difficulties.. but was this evidenced?
You just said it yourself its understandable if it was teaming down with rain, well it was! and there were traction difficulties!
Although I am not saying it is the case, on the assumption that an order was sent to allow Hamilton through, it can also be assumed that both drivers were told to ease off in the final stages.
I just joined this forum with hope of getting some proper knowledgable discussion with proper F1 fans and watchers (As appose to the usual drival from the ferrari worshipers on the F1 Picks application on Facebook)....but i have come across the exact same poo...
Lewis got the most points, he is champion...Massa said so himself....
None of this deals with the following:
(1) Hamilton gaining 15+ seconds on Glock in the last 30 seconds of the race
(2) The track is drying as their hasnt been rain for some time
(3) The track is obviously and relatively dry compared to the preceding laps
(4) Glock's split times show he is not suffering substantively from the conditions
(5) The conditions for DRY TYRES are improving not worsening
(6) There is no direct handling of the incident in the media by Glock, Toyota, McLaren or the stewards
(7) The incident is at least worthy of the questions being asked but it is noticeably lacking and not for the want of evidence.
Look at it like this:
1) When Barrichello switched to extreme wets in Silverstone, he was lapping at over thirty seconds a lap quicker than people on intermediates. Obviously, with dry tyres not being designed to handle rain in the slightest, the difference could easily and realistically been more than fifteen seconds.
2) It was still raining at the time.
3) See above.
4) His times were fine on the preceeding laps, when the track wasn't as greasy. All the while, his tyres were losing temperature.
5) Not really, considering it was still raining.
6) It's not really an incident and Glock has already come out and explained what happened. Trulli was the only other driver still on dry tyres and his lap time was just as slow as Glock's.
7) Why? It seems perfectly reasonable that in some light rain a guy on dry tyres had to slow his car significantly in order to keep it on track and bring it home in the points. When Raikkonen pushed in the light rain at the end of Spa, he binned it and ended up trading paint with the wall.
I just joined this forum with hope of getting some proper knowledgable discussion with proper F1 fans and watchers (As appose to the usual drival from the ferrari worshipers on the F1 Picks application on Facebook)....but i have come across the exact same poo...
Lewis got the most points, he is champion...Massa said so himself....
Welcome Kate! Don't worry, it's only really the one troll here now.
None of this deals with the following:
(1) Hamilton gaining 15+ seconds on Glock in the last 30 seconds of the race
(2) The track is drying as their hasnt been rain for some time
(3) The track is obviously and relatively dry compared to the preceding laps
(4) Glock's split times show he is not suffering substantively from the conditions
(5) The conditions for DRY TYRES are improving not worsening
(6) There is no direct handling of the incident in the media by Glock, Toyota, McLaren or the stewards
(7) The incident is at least worthy of the questions being asked but it is noticeably lacking and not for the want of evidence.
Look at it like this:
1) When Barrichello switched to extreme wets in Silverstone, he was lapping at over thirty seconds a lap quicker than people on intermediates. Obviously, with dry tyres not being designed to handle rain in the slightest, the difference could easily and realistically been more than fifteen seconds.
2) It was still raining at the time.
3) See above.
4) His times were fine on the preceeding laps, when the track wasn't as greasy. All the while, his tyres were losing temperature.
5) Not really, considering it was still raining.
6) It's not really an incident and Glock has already come out and explained what happened. Trulli was the only other driver still on dry tyres and his lap time was just as slow as Glock's.
7) Why? It seems perfectly reasonable that in some light rain a guy on dry tyres had to slow his car significantly in order to keep it on track and bring it home in the points. When Raikkonen pushed in the light rain at the end of Spa, he binned it and ended up trading paint with the wall.
OK, lets deal with this logically.
(1) Silverstone - it was pouring with rain. Barichello was on extreme wets and it was 30 seconds a lap quicker. There was surface water and aquaplaning-a-plenty. Brazil was not as wet, in fact it is arguable whether it was barely wet at all on the last lap according to pictures and TV coverage we are looking at intermediates vs dry. Finally it was almost 18 seconds over half a lap. It doesnt add up.
(2) I have seen no evidence that it was "still" raining during the last lap at Brazil.
(3) I contend the track was relatively dry... dont believe me... check out the ACTUAL move
(4) His times were fine because he wasnt suffering in the conditions. No one can tell me that this image is SPA or SILVERSTONE. Simply, it is not. Conditions were improving which is why Hamilton could not catch him on intermediates. The argument is correct - tyres are crucial but the conditions were not wet per se.
(5) It was not still raining.
(6) & (7) Its not an incident if you dont want it to be (as with anything). Fact remains, if Glock and / or Trulli were given instructions to hand the title to McLaren then we have a major problem. Let's get the radio transmissions and see - one thing is for sure, its not wet and dry vs inters wont hack it.
People, open your eyes.
I just joined this forum with hope of getting some proper knowledgable discussion with proper F1 fans and watchers (As appose to the usual drival from the ferrari worshipers on the F1 Picks application on Facebook)....but i have come across the exact same poo...
Lewis got the most points, he is champion...Massa said so himself....
Just out of interest, is there a rule that makes it illegal to slow down and let another teams driver get passed?
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