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[bud]

8-) A race with the Manhatten skyline as a backdrop. Amazing. They are saying it will be like Spa with a Monaco feel. What could be better? I'm drooling...

As long as its not a Valencia feel with this New Jersey skyline.....

try this for a skyline

[myownalias]

It's all well and good having two United States Grand Prix but at what cost? Which tracks will be dropped, especially given that Russia joins the roster in 2014... I fear we are going to lose the classic European tracks like Spa or Monza. I don't see any of the Eastern tracks making way for the second US GP... teams have made it clear they want no more than 20 GP's.

[bud]

It's all well and good having two United States Grand Prix but at what cost? Which tracks will be dropped, especially given that Russia joins the roster in 2014... I fear we are going to lose the classic European tracks like Spa or Monza. I don't see any of the Eastern tracks making way for the second US GP... teams have made it clear they want no more than 20 GP's.

Turkey may be back to replace Bahrain permanently so we could see both of them going for 2013. Monza will never be lost, but unfortunately Spa might which is the best track on the calendar

[myownalias]

It's all well and good having two United States Grand Prix but at what cost? Which tracks will be dropped, especially given that Russia joins the roster in 2014... I fear we are going to lose the classic European tracks like Spa or Monza. I don't see any of the Eastern tracks making way for the second US GP... teams have made it clear they want no more than 20 GP's.

Turkey may be back to replace Bahrain permanently so we could see both of them going for 2013. Monza will never be lost, but unfortunately Spa might which is the best track on the calendar

If Monza did go; it wouldn't bother me so much, Spa going on the hand would really piss me off; it's been my favourite track since I started watching F1 back in '92. Bahrain would be no loss, did anyone miss it this year? I know that I didn't, but I quite like Turkey, presents a good challenge to the drivers and provides the best racing of the Tilke designed tracks. I also wouldn't be upset if Monaco was dropped from the calendar, apart from the glamour factor, I don't think it offers much to F1 fans, Valencia, the sooner that goes the better!

[f1ea]

S##t. Another street circuit.

[Frontrunner]

10 year deal. I'm sure the backdrop and the atmosphere will be great but the track layout..... will wait and see

[rem]

Hello, I'm a casual F1 fan, but I'm leaving my role as a lurker of F1 forums because of this news about the NJ Grand Prix. I live very close to the circuit, only a few blocks away in fact. My house is actually in the satellite picture posted earlier. Since I've lived here my entire life, I've also spent a most of that life both having been driven and driving myself through these very streets that will be used as part of the circuit. I've been hearing about this from my father for a while now (he is the true fan, like I said before, I'm only a casual fan, thought that would change if I get to see one live). Good thing I stayed in the area for college.

Anyway, I've seen some negativity about this news, understandable since street races haven't been well done in recent times. However, that doesn't mean all street circuits would have to necessarily be that way. I do believe this is a very different from the disliked races like Valencia. The main difference is the elevation. Some places have described this as a mix of Spa and Monaco. It's hard to think how a combination of the two would look like, but that description does not seem far from the truth to me.

This portion of New Jersey is called the NJ Palisades. The United States is known for its extremely low lying elevations, but this area is an extreme exception. There are some hilly, rocky section of coastline on the east coast, but I believe this is only place in the country, other than San Francisco, where high density construction was made on such a rough section of the coast. The result is that the lower portion of the circuit, nearly at level with the Hudson River, is significantly lower than the higher portion. The height is over 300 feet (or close to 100 meters, possibly 100+), so that how much of a climb there will be from Port Imperial Boulevard, up the bridge to JFK Boulevard East. Even JKF Boulevard East is fairly uneven and bumpy.

Here is a video of the course:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bxvbfm8P47Y

Though even in the video, the elevation isn't as noticeable as when you're there in person. It will be when the cars are racing through it. I'm assuming the longer upward sections are where the comparison to Spa come in, and the elevated turns are similar to Monaco. In fact, this track might be receiving more critiques for being fairly unsafe rather than being boring.

Also, the views of New York are stunning from JFK Boulevard East, possibly better than anywhere else, even Jersey City, which is where some classic pictures of NYC are taken from.

[bud]

Thanks for the info Rem, I think this will be an exciting venue

[Fred_C_Dobbs]

The street circuit's saving grace is that the owners don't have to extend themselves to cause it earn its keep between F1 races. They just remove their race barriers and the tax payers are on the hook for the upkeep until the next event. As Korea and Hungary are proving (and India also will soon attest), it is difficult if not impossible for a bespoke racing circuit to survive for twelve months on the revenues generated from just one weekend's racing.

Maybe the two new circuits finally will ignite a spark of passion for F1 in the USA. Then again, some have been waiting decades for the USA to catch on to that other football, the one they call soccer, so I'm not holding my breath.

[rem]

Maybe the two new circuits finally will ignite a spark of passion for F1 in the USA. Then again, some have been waiting decades for the USA to catch on to that other football, the one they call soccer, so I'm not holding my breath.

Our soccer (football ) league, MLS, just finished its 16th season with the highest average attendance in the league's short history, at 17870 per match. Not to mention the popularity of foreign leagues like the English Premier League.

The internet and mass communication are forcing people here to catch on to what the rest of the world is doing. I'm just very happy Formula 1 got to the New York region before NASCAR.

[Matt_1222]

First post

Personally i think that 2 GPs in any one country isn't right, not whilst we have countries such as Finland and France with no Grand Prix, i would love to see F1 go to Ahvenisto, it'd take safety changes to make it compatible with F1 but its a good track imo.

Plus i really don't think we need another street circuit, i don't understand the chase for more overtaking while at the same time visiting a lot of street circuits where overtaking is rare

[McLaren]

First post

Personally i think that 2 GPs in any one country isn't right, not whilst we have countries such as Finland and France with no Grand Prix, i would love to see F1 go to Ahvenisto, it'd take safety changes to make it compatible with F1 but its a good track imo.

Plus i really don't think we need another street circuit, i don't understand the chase for more overtaking while at the same time visiting a lot of street circuits where overtaking is rare

France do have one Monaco

[What's Burning?]

8-) A race with the Manhattan skyline as a backdrop. Amazing. They are saying it will be like Spa with a Monaco feel. What could be better? I'm drooling...

As long as its not a Valencia feel with this New Jersey skyline.....

try this for a skyline

Guys, I've been away for a bit, but was aware of what was going on and was aware of the confirmation of the GP. Everything I'm about to say is said for two reasons, one because I'm an F1 fan, and two is because I grew up where the GP is being proposed.

The Google image a few pages back shows street numbers. I lived in 10th, 14th, 18th, 32nd, and 80th streets. The longest stint was on 18th street, where I lived for over ten years, from the 7th grade, through until I was 24 years old. The cities shown in that satellite image are North Bergen, Union City, West New York, Weehawken, Guttenberg and if you were to pan out a quarter mile further, you'd also see Hoboken, and Secaucus and Manhattan.

For the first GP, every seat will be filled, and there will be scalpers selling tickets for two or three times their face value. There will likely be a few hundred thousand people that will simply watch the race from their living rooms, and I don't mean on TV. The pictures above are both very representative for North Jersey. That oil refinery is on the NJ Turnpike, and about a 20 minute drive (without traffic of course) from where the circuit will actually be. That other picture above, you know the "classic" NYC skyline is actually taken from the road where the F1 cars will be traveling through, at 180 Mph. There will be embezzlement, there will be corruption, there will be local politicians with their hands out and there will be an unbelievable spike in international tourism. There will also be Flavio's yacht and more celebrities than you've ever seen in any F1 race before. That's just how it's going to be.

I started the "so tell me where you're from" thread a while back when rumors of this GP first solidified and I've got to say that I'm thrilled that this has been confirmed. We all know there's a handful of limp GPs right now that we wouldn't mind seeing let go in exchange for the only race on the planet that would out glam Monaco.

[vlad]

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[phil12321]

try this for a skyline

For the first GP, every seat will be filled, and there will be scalpers selling tickets for two or three times their face value. There will likely be a few hundred thousand people that will simply watch the race from their living rooms, and I don't mean on TV. The pictures above are both very representative for North Jersey. That oil refinery is on the NJ Turnpike, and about a 20 minute drive (without traffic of course) from where the circuit will actually be. That other picture above, you know the "classic" NYC skyline is actually taken from the road where the F1 cars will be traveling through, at 180 Mph. There will be embezzlement, there will be corruption, there will be local politicians with their hands out and there will be an unbelievable spike in international tourism. There will also be Flavio's yacht and more celebrities than you've ever seen in any F1 race before. That's just how it's going to be.

We all know there's a handful of limp GPs right now that we wouldn't mind seeing let go in exchange for the only race on the planet that would out glam Monaco.

You said it like a true NewYorker!!! Though youve stated you lived on the other side of the hudson but it doesnt matter... ur just a ferry away lol

Ive been long saying that this GP will out shine the purpose built track in Austin... There will be Glam every where.... Every Famous Hip Hop artist and their entire entourage will be in attendance. Every Newyork Born actor you can think of will be there. You can almost count on the cheapest Grandstand Tickets Fetching $400-$600 easily and then being flipped 1-3 times over like you said... I dont mean to over emphasize your post but Im just confirming your vision of the even we will see in a short 20 months from now (sometime in June before or after the canadian GP)... Dude this is a victory for F1