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[racechick]

Aargh!!! Just done my list and its lost

[racechick]

Here goes agen!!

Top dogs
1. Hamilton
2. Alonso


Verygoods
3. Massa
4. Kimmi
5. Webber
6. Vettel
7/8 Button Barrichelo(Difficult to call)


Could be very goods in different cars/circumstances

9. Kubica
10 Rosberg
11.Heidfeld.
12 Glock
13.Fisi
14. Suthil
15. Buemi (maybe he should go higher, I forget about him)

Wierd group
16.Trulli-(qualis well but never does much else)
17.Kovi (Similar to trulli but less excuse in a McLaren)
18. Kobi whatshis name (bodes very well but only 2 races yet)
19. Piquet ( Dont think he had a fair crack at Renault)

Boring group
20. Bordais (I forget about him)
There may be more drivers in here...ive forgotten about them )

Poo group
21. Algi whatsisname
22. nakagima
23. Badoer

[Big Azza]

I find it very difficult to understand your list racechick.

[racechick]

I find it very difficult to understand your list racechick.

Whys that? What Have i done wrong? Actuually i think Barrichello and button need to move down a group, I'll readjust it.


EDIT. I moved them down but then I had to move them back again. I couldnt put them in the 'could be very good in a different car group' because they were in the best car for most of the year So theyve had to stay where they are.

[Big Azza]

I find it very difficult to understand your list racechick.

Whys that? What Have i done wrong? Actuually i think Barrichello and button need to move down a group, I'll readjust it.


EDIT. I moved them down but then I had to move them back again. I couldnt put them in the 'could be very good in a different car group' because they were in the best car for most of the year So theyve had to stay where they are.

No no... Not the drivers in their, but the way the table is structured. (I'm sounding like Juliet)

At least it's not in Caps Lock. I cannot stand people who use Caps Lock.

Anyway, on topic, you really should think strain your brain very hard to remember some more names. And in your poo group add Grosjaen.

But I very much agree about Piquet. I want to see him back.

[Amanda]

In the best car of 2008 Felipe finished 2nd in the best car of 2009 Button Finished 1st.

Felipe needed help from Kimi also.

That's a bit black and white Gaz, you need to consider competition as well. Button had a grossly superior car at the beginning of 2009, at which point he was able to build up a rather healthy lead. During the second half of the season the field was more equal, making it harder for his closest competitors to make up that deficit

Massa had a great car but he also had Hamilton as his main competition, who was also in a very good car.

Need I also say that Button needed help from Barrichello (as far as set up goes) in order to win his championship?

Here goes agen!!

Top dogs
1. Hamilton
2. Alonso


Verygoods
3. Massa
4. Kimmi
5. Webber
6. Vettel
7/8 Button Barrichelo(Difficult to call)


Could be very goods in different cars/circumstances

9. Kubica
10 Rosberg
11.Heidfeld.
12 Glock
13.Fisi
14. Suthil
15. Buemi (maybe he should go higher, I forget about him)

Wierd group
16.Trulli-(qualis well but never does much else)
17.Kovi (Similar to trulli but less excuse in a McLaren)
18. Kobi whatshis name (bodes very well but only 2 races yet)
19. Piquet ( Dont think he had a fair crack at Renault)

Boring group
20. Bordais (I forget about him)
There may be more drivers in here...ive forgotten about them )

Poo group
21. Algi whatsisname
22. nakagima
23. Badoer

Makes sense to me Racechick

On the whole I agree with you, except I'd probably swap Vettel/Webber and Massa/Kimi. I'd bump Rosberg up a good few places too.

[Juliet P]

I find it very difficult to understand your list racechick.

Whys that? What Have i done wrong? Actuually i think Barrichello and button need to move down a group, I'll readjust it.


EDIT. I moved them down but then I had to move them back again. I couldnt put them in the 'could be very good in a different car group' because they were in the best car for most of the year So theyve had to stay where they are.

No no... Not the drivers in their, but the way the table is structured. (I'm sounding like Juliet)

Oi! Leave me out of it!

[Gaz]

In the best car of 2008 Felipe finished 2nd in the best car of 2009 Button Finished 1st.

Felipe needed help from Kimi also.

That's a bit black and white Gaz, you need to consider competition as well. Button had a grossly superior car at the beginning of 2009, at which point he was able to build up a rather healthy lead. During the second half of the season the field was more equal, making it harder for his closest competitors to make up that deficit

Massa had a great car but he also had Hamilton as his main competition, who was also in a very good car.

Yeh it is abit Black and White i agree. It's more about the fact he Crashed twice at the start of 2008 that gets me.

But i'm also going off the fact that Rubens was able to match and occasionaly beat Schui more often thatn Massa did (although massa only had 1 year to try)

Yet Rubens was Beaten convincing by Button at the start of the season especialy.

I'm not really saying Jenson's that good more saing Massa isn't that good.

If i had the choice between Massa and Jenson to go along side Lewis at Mclaren i'd take Jenson as he's abit like Nick Heindfelt Mr Consistant.

- and thats what wins WDC's and WCC's

[Hansy]

1. Alonso
2. Raikkonen
3. Hamilton
4. Vettel

5. Kubica
6. Webber
7. Rosberg
8. Heidfeld
9. Button
10. Glock
11. Massa
12. Sutil

13. Barrichello
14. Liuzzi
15. Buemi
16. Trulli
17. Kovalainen
18. Fisichella
19. Kobayashi
20. Bourdais
21. Alguersuari
22. Grosjean

23. Piquet
24. Nakajima
25. Badoer

[Juliet P]

1. Alonso
2. Raikkonen
3. Hamilton
4. Vettel

5. Kubica
6. Webber
7. Rosberg
8. Heidfeld
9. Button
10. Glock
11. Massa
12. Sutil

13. Barrichello
14. Liuzzi
15. Buemi
16. Trulli
17. Kovalainen
18. Fisichella
19. Kobayashi
20. Bourdais
21. Alguersuari
22. Grosjean

23. Piquet
24. Nakajima
25. Badoer

C'mon - Massa below Glock and Heidfeld?? And Barrichello below Sutil??

[darwin dali]

1. Alonso
2. Raikkonen
3. Hamilton
4. Vettel

5. Kubica
6. Webber
7. Rosberg
8. Heidfeld
9. Button
10. Glock
11. Massa
12. Sutil

13. Barrichello
14. Liuzzi
15. Buemi
16. Trulli
17. Kovalainen
18. Fisichella
19. Kobayashi
20. Bourdais
21. Alguersuari
22. Grosjean

23. Piquet
24. Nakajima
25. Badoer

C'mon - Massa below Glock and Heidfeld?? And Barrichello below Sutil??

[f1ea]

Hmmm i'll give it a try. Somewhere in the middle where the 'average' guys hang out it is kinda difficult to tell....... and of course, its pretty difficult to judge fairly since they have different cars.

THE OUT OF LEAGUE
1. Alonso
2. Kimi
3. Hamilton (he's very determined, and competitive; but a little bit more reckless and prone to mistakes than Kimi... can not yet be 100% trusted)
4. Vettel (similar to Lewis, but much more patient. And with less experience in a winning car/situation. Definitely the guy to watch)

THE VERY GOOD / CHALLENGERS
5. Massa (this guy doesnt stop improving... and with how poor the other guys did in the F60 and Kimi last yr shows the Ferrari is a tough beast to tame, and its not all just 'about the car').
6. Button (i dont really think he's this good. He had an unfair advantage at first, and as soon as his machine was level... he proved nothing more than average). But he's the champion.
7. Barrichelo and Webber (maybe better than Button, but it didnt really show this yr... )
8. Heidfeld (finally i put him better than Kubica! gotta give this guy a break. He's just quiet and smooth, nobody notices him......)
9. Kubica (dissapointed...)
10. Rosberg (dissapointed! the Williams didnt seem as poor as their drivers showed... what happened, was the Williams really that bad?)

THE PROMISES
11. Glock (Good promise... but didnt really crush Trulli, who is more or less average. Perhaps some guys right below are better)
12. Sutil (might be higher up.... looking fwd to seeing him in a good car, or maybe F India improving?)
13. Kobayashi (wow! WTF... hope he has a seat next yr. And hope he doesnt cause too many crashes!)
13. Buemi (not bad... in the worse car of the field... a rookie without in season testing. Good promise)

THE DOWNHILL
14. Fisichella (hmmmm he did worse than Kovalainen in the same car, and has been poor in the Ferrari....)
15. Trulli (doesnt quite pull it together)
16. Kovalainen (had 1 great race in the wet a loooong time ago... other than that, very little to show his worth)
17. Piquet Jr (maybe too much hype.... get him a Force India and have him polish himself for a couple of yrs... but hasnt even had 1 remarkable LAP let alone a race)
18. Alguersuari, Grosjean (they could 'actually' be better, but too little experience to tell and they have suffered from the lack of testing; but then, Kobayashi shuts everyone up hehe)
19. Badoer (Could be better than what was shown... this guy jumped into a car he was not really aqcuainted in, and he was sensibly out of form.... i guess he shouldnt be judged). But he's definitely over the hill....

THE BAD
20. Nakajima (this is the worst).

[Juliet P]

I don't disagree with any of this, except, perhaps Kovaleinen. I genuinely believe he could make a good showing in a half decent car and a team that wasn't built around someone else.

[Amanda]

In the best car of 2008 Felipe finished 2nd in the best car of 2009 Button Finished 1st.

Felipe needed help from Kimi also.

That's a bit black and white Gaz, you need to consider competition as well. Button had a grossly superior car at the beginning of 2009, at which point he was able to build up a rather healthy lead. During the second half of the season the field was more equal, making it harder for his closest competitors to make up that deficit

Massa had a great car but he also had Hamilton as his main competition, who was also in a very good car.

Yeh it is abit Black and White i agree. It's more about the fact he Crashed twice at the start of 2008 that gets me.

But i'm also going off the fact that Rubens was able to match and occasionaly beat Schui more often thatn Massa did (although massa only had 1 year to try)

Yet Rubens was Beaten convincing by Button at the start of the season especialy.

I'm not really saying Jenson's that good more saing Massa isn't that good.

If i had the choice between Massa and Jenson to go along side Lewis at Mclaren i'd take Jenson as he's abit like Nick Heindfelt Mr Consistant.

- and thats what wins WDC's and WCC's

Rubens is a bit past his peak though, I imagine a few years back he'd have given Button a bit more of a problem than he did this year. He wasted his best years as Ferrari's no 2.

Button and consistency I hear together a lot, which I can understand to a degree. However, in my opinion, he wasn't consistently on the pace during the latter half of this season, hence the backlash he got. He could easily have lost the championship because of it and was lucky that his competition shared the points. However, consistency aside, I still think that he lacks the raw talent that Massa has shown.

[Gaz]

Yeh i agree with you about Rubens its not really totally fair of me to use that as a method of comparison.

Perhaps Massa does have more raw talent than Button, but when Massa is bad its usually very very bad i.e he dnf's or finishes well out of the points.

Also i've only see Massa do a few decent overtakes mainly based around better starts i.e Hungary 08. He can not defend well either - Germany 08.

Button can however definitely overtake but like you say he can have peaks and trough's with his pace Buttons peaks might not be as high but he's troughs aren't nearly as bad.