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[Gilles 27]

120, 90, 70, 50, stick at 50.

Personally I don't like a cap idea, it's contrived, it feels false. I'd like the FIA to be barbaric in banning stuff like wind tunnels and motorhomes and stuff. As far as I'm concerned, it's the teams' money, they should be able to spend it. Also the cap is gonna be impossible to regulate. The FIA struggled enough with traction control!

[EwanM]

120, 90, 70, 50, stick at 50.

Personally I don't like a cap idea, it's contrived, it feels false. I'd like the FIA to be barbaric in banning stuff like wind tunnels and motorhomes and stuff. As far as I'm concerned, it's the teams' money, they should be able to spend it. Also the cap is gonna be impossible to regulate. The FIA struggled enough with traction control!

Well the team want an individual body to regulate the capping.

[Denthúl]

120, 90, 70, 50, stick at 50.

Personally I don't like a cap idea, it's contrived, it feels false. I'd like the FIA to be barbaric in banning stuff like wind tunnels and motorhomes and stuff. As far as I'm concerned, it's the teams' money, they should be able to spend it. Also the cap is gonna be impossible to regulate. The FIA struggled enough with traction control!

I'd like to see Formula One with a cap but with far looser regulations. Promote innovation but, crucially, innovation without the unreasonable expense! They might develop a road-relevant technology, but if it costs them £10m to develop the initial concept, then it will be a long time before it can be produced at a price that road car manufacturers can use on regular, average-Joe cars.

[racechick]

The thing that really annoys me is that Mosely knows the teams will budget cap, just that they cannot do it the way he wants and he will not compromise. He is prepared to Piss F1 down the drain rather than give up his tyrannical, dictatorship. He has a personality flaw and is very clever with it and F1 is looking like getting screwed because of it!

Best option- F1 remains as it is but Max Mosely is removed and a normal person(also clever) replaces him and reforms the FIA.

Next best option-Breakaway. Someone with F1 know how(Jackie/Hill/Lauda/Schekter) fronts it instead of Bernie but its backed up by Lawyers, business guys etc. There are enough venues available around the world to run it.

Worst option.-F1 remains in the grasp of an egotistical power crazed misfit who should have been removed when he paid more attention to baring his arse to prostitutes than to properly governing F1. (thats not to mention witch hunting, back handers, golden handshakes) SKUM.

[EwanM]

For those in the UK:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 052680.stm

HERE's that LEGEND talking about today's meeting.

[irons_4_ever]

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 041761.stm


thats a top vid on budget caps

[Jensonb]

120, 90, 70, 50, stick at 50.

Personally I don't like a cap idea, it's contrived, it feels false. I'd like the FIA to be barbaric in banning stuff like wind tunnels and motorhomes and stuff. As far as I'm concerned, it's the teams' money, they should be able to spend it. Also the cap is gonna be impossible to regulate. The FIA struggled enough with traction control!

I'd like to see Formula One with a cap but with far looser regulations. Promote innovation but, crucially, innovation without the unreasonable expense! They might develop a road-relevant technology, but if it costs them £10m to develop the initial concept, then it will be a long time before it can be produced at a price that road car manufacturers can use on regular, average-Joe cars.

I agree, that's my preferred outcome. That way, the smartest win, not the richest.

Incidentally, I've always wondered why people think a Budget cap is any harder to police than restricting frivolous spending/wind tunnel work etc.? If it's possible to cheat the Cap, it's just as possible, if not easier, to cheat some of that.

For those in the UK:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 052680.stm

HERE's that LEGEND talking about today's meeting.

Bravo. We are at least proceeding towards the correct resolution.

[welshie]

I agree, that's my preferred outcome. That way, the smartest win, not the richest.

My friend thats it, my thinking all along. No special deals, just a level playing-field for all teams. The same to spend and the same to loose.

[EwanM]

120, 90, 70, 50, stick at 50.

Personally I don't like a cap idea, it's contrived, it feels false. I'd like the FIA to be barbaric in banning stuff like wind tunnels and motorhomes and stuff. As far as I'm concerned, it's the teams' money, they should be able to spend it. Also the cap is gonna be impossible to regulate. The FIA struggled enough with traction control!

I'd like to see Formula One with a cap but with far looser regulations. Promote innovation but, crucially, innovation without the unreasonable expense! They might develop a road-relevant technology, but if it costs them £10m to develop the initial concept, then it will be a long time before it can be produced at a price that road car manufacturers can use on regular, average-Joe cars.

I agree, that's my preferred outcome. That way, the smartest win, not the richest.

Incidentally, I've always wondered why people think a Budget cap is any harder to police than restricting frivolous spending/wind tunnel work etc.? If it's possible to cheat the Cap, it's just as possible, if not easier, to cheat some of that.

For those in the UK:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 052680.stm

HERE's that LEGEND talking about today's meeting.

Bravo. We are at least proceeding towards the correct resolution.

He IS a legend though.

[Corrado]

The teams can't just take it easy on this issue, they can't show themselves to be bullyable or it will happen again and again. i think the response of the big budgeters has been proportional to the level of madness inerrant to the two tier system.

It's obvious to me that the two tier idea and the minuscule size of the proposed capped budgets as well as the disproportionate levels of technical freedom afforded to those that sign up is a blatant p*ss - take by the FIA, a statement of 'we will do what we like and you will take it because we are in charge, not you'.

I don't think the teams should stand for this and i am pleased with the strong response they have made.

Gilles, I could add a "+1" to most of your posts and leave it at that to summarize my position.

...but I tend to be chatty & will never leave it at that.

I don't know that there's any negotiation room for two sets of technical regs. FOTA seems pretty cut & dry on that. 1 set of regs or 2 does not allow for much of a 'gray area' for compromise -- either you have one set of rules for everyone or you don't.

The budget cap is another issue where there *is* room for negotiation, but no team will want to be cost-limited to the extent that the FIA wants and the FIA can't afford to increase the cap to a level the teams would agree to or they'll lose the influx of new blood that their bargain-basement cap has attracted.

[darwin dali]

Run Lola Run!!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0130827/

[irons_4_ever]

Run Lola Run!!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0130827/

[Ineluke]

Ferrari can't win this one,the courts have always said it's the sport's governing body that has the final say. Ferrari are hoping that the courts see it different this time because they have not actually signed up for 2010 and would claim that they are not yet within the FIA's rules for next year.

Taking on Max and winning is very rare.

[Bruno_Brazil]

Run Lola Run!!

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0130827/

yep! =D
watchable movie, by the way

[Gilles 27]

pretty good film, I'd say!