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[EwanM]

the rules and governance would be decided by FOTA not Monte alone in a Max styled coup.

Yes, but Ferrari would still be the one with more say.
This entire mess only started because of Ferrari, it all rests on Ferrari.

[bud]

the rules and governance would be decided by FOTA not Monte alone in a Max styled coup.

Yes, but Ferrari would still be the one with more say.
This entire mess only started because of Ferrari, it all rests on Ferrari.

no way it started with Ferrari, infact Redbull and Toyota were the first teams to publicly question their commitment to the 2010 season under the current proposed rules.

it was all Max's draconian dealings once again! The man is a dictator with not one bone of compromise in his body!

[darwin dali]

the rules and governance would be decided by FOTA not Monte alone in a Max styled coup.

Yes, but Ferrari would still be the one with more say.
This entire mess only started because of Ferrari, it all rests on Ferrari.

no way it started with Ferrari, infact Redbull and Toyota were the first teams to publicly question their commitment to the 2010 season under the current proposed rules.

it was all Max's draconian dealings once again! The man is a dictator with not one bone of compromise in his body!

MM doesn't take any prisoners (as seen last year ).

[bud]

the rules and governance would be decided by FOTA not Monte alone in a Max styled coup.

Yes, but Ferrari would still be the one with more say.
This entire mess only started because of Ferrari, it all rests on Ferrari.

no way it started with Ferrari, infact Redbull and Toyota were the first teams to publicly question their commitment to the 2010 season under the current proposed rules.

it was all Max's draconian dealings once again! The man is a dictator with not one bone of compromise in his body!

MM doesn't take any prisoners (as seen last year ).

actually he had one bone that needed some form of compromise in the state of a tablet.

[darwin dali]

the rules and governance would be decided by FOTA not Monte alone in a Max styled coup.

Yes, but Ferrari would still be the one with more say.
This entire mess only started because of Ferrari, it all rests on Ferrari.

no way it started with Ferrari, infact Redbull and Toyota were the first teams to publicly question their commitment to the 2010 season under the current proposed rules.

it was all Max's draconian dealings once again! The man is a dictator with not one bone of compromise in his body!

MM doesn't take any prisoners (as seen last year ).

actually he had one bone that needed some form of compromise in the state of a tablet.

Blue pills, yup!

[EwanM]

the rules and governance would be decided by FOTA not Monte alone in a Max styled coup.

Yes, but Ferrari would still be the one with more say.
This entire mess only started because of Ferrari, it all rests on Ferrari.

no way it started with Ferrari, infact Redbull and Toyota were the first teams to publicly question their commitment to the 2010 season under the current proposed rules.

it was all Max's draconian dealings once again! The man is a dictator with not one bone of compromise in his body!

It didn't start with Ferrari, but what did was the heightened media coverage. The protest only gained credibility when Ferrari joined the ranks.

[EwanM]

If the man is such a dictator then why not try to remove him from power?
Rather than go off and form a serparate body.
My point is the crux of the whole matter rest on Ferrari, as soon as their needs are seen to they will remain with F1 and so the other teams will have to fall back into line.

[bud]

If the man is such a dictator then why not try to remove him from power?
Rather than go off and form a serparate body.
My point is the crux of the whole matter rest on Ferrari, as soon as their needs are seen to they will remain with F1 and so the other teams will have to fall back into line.

who wants to shoot him then? a scandal that would remove the president of any nation wont remove him! so again who has a gun?

why form a seperate body? why not be rid of FOM who do nothing special and nothing FOTA couldnt do themselves albeit reaping a larger sum of the cash reward also.

a break away just makes sense.

FOTA would have control of the regs, and control of the income.

just remove the middlemen Ewan things run alot smoother! I know youre stuck on the nostalgia of F1 but, nothing can come into being without change....

[EwanM]

If the man is such a dictator then why not try to remove him from power?
Rather than go off and form a serparate body.
My point is the crux of the whole matter rest on Ferrari, as soon as their needs are seen to they will remain with F1 and so the other teams will have to fall back into line.

who wants to shoot him then? a scandal that would remove the president of any nation wont remove him! so again who has a gun?

why form a seperate body? why not be rid of FOM who do nothing special and nothing FOTA couldnt do themselves albeit reaping a larger sum of the cash reward also.

a break away just makes sense.

FOTA would have control of the regs, and control of the income.

just remove the middlemen Ewan things run alot smoother! I know youre stuck on the nostalgia of F1 but, nothing can come into being without change....

There doesn't need to be any chance though. Formula One works as a product.
Mosley could be removed if the manufacturers and other teams pushed for his removal, if they ran someone against him in the elections or showed that they were willing to work with the FIA. Not just keep refusing anything the FIA comes up with. I realise FOTA have their own ideas on how to cut costs, but these must be continued to be pushed to the front of the agenda. Consensus and constructive negotiations are the only way for this to happen.

A separate championship does not offer the security of Formula One. Car manufacturers cannot guarantee to be in the sport long term and that is why teams like Williams or Brawn will remain in F1. This entire boycott does nothing but damage the will of the teams rather than try to sort it out.

Im happy to stick to my guns that Formula One remains the only option and that it should be reformed from within. But anyone who thinks that problems will just vanish because of a new body are dillusional.
Political and technical controversies will still loom large in any other championship, there will be no clarity.

[bud]

how can the teams be told to cut costs when they, the money earners are being reamed up the arse by Bernies FOM over TV rights and continuously told to spend money on changeable rules by the FIA when one easy and simple way to cut costs is to leave the regs alone for atleast a 5 year period.

There are many forms of motor racing around the world that run fine without the FIA, it is not the be all and end all of auto racing. a breakaway can and will work just fine.

[EwanM]

how can the teams be told to cut costs when they, the money earners are being reamed up the arse by Bernies FOM over TV rights and continuously told to spend money on changeable rules by the FIA when one easy and simple way to cut costs is to leave the regs alone for atleast a 5 year period.

There are many forms of motor racing around the world that run fine without the FIA, it is not the be all and end all of auto racing. a breakaway can and will work just fine.

Look at one of these - the ACO

Aston Martin are threatening to not compete in the Le Man 24 hour race unless the Petrol cars are allowed more freedom over the Diesels.
And they're not the only team threatening to withdraw.

[bud]

how can the teams be told to cut costs when they, the money earners are being reamed up the arse by Bernies FOM over TV rights and continuously told to spend money on changeable rules by the FIA when one easy and simple way to cut costs is to leave the regs alone for atleast a 5 year period.

There are many forms of motor racing around the world that run fine without the FIA, it is not the be all and end all of auto racing. a breakaway can and will work just fine.

Look at one of these - the ACO

Aston Martin are threatening to not compete in the Le Man 24 hour race unless the Petrol cars are allowed more freedom over the Diesels.
And they're not the only team threatening to withdraw.

so?

[EwanM]

So theres my proof, these types of crisis happen even without the FIA, and the same would probably happen in a breakaway series

[bud]

So theres my proof, these types of crisis happen even without the FIA, and the same would probably happen in a breakaway series

having each team with a representative on the board of the governance and rule making gives each team a say and power no other series has! what more could a team want in a sport?

[EwanM]

So theres my proof, these types of crisis happen even without the FIA, and the same would probably happen in a breakaway series

having each team with a representative on the board of the governance and rule making gives each team a say and power no other series has! what more could a team want in a sport?

You need independence to decide certain matters, the FIA in theory provides that - and so it could do if it was reformed.

I don't need to keep arguing on this anyways. There won't be a breakaway series anyways.