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[Gilles 27]

posted before but what the hell...


Spain does seem to have a bit of a problem with this sort of thing. One stupid spectator isn't a huge deal as it obviously doesn't represent the majority but there has been a problem in the Spanish football league for a long time now and it is a real shame that it has found its way into F1.

IMO, there's no way in hell Catalunya should have a Grand Prix, its never anything but processional, has racist fans and the country has 2 races. I know Valencia wasn't all that popular but the setting is more interesting than Catalunya and if they only had one race in Spain, there might be more atmosphere at Valencia as it would be more of a focal point for support in Spain.

[Jabberwocky]

I think (and I am opening myself up to a flaming on this I can feel it) That the whole racism thing has got out of hand.

if an F1 driver had bright ginger hair and a fan put a ginger wig on would that be wrong?

I noticed today that Jenson Button is left handed, don't ask me why I noticed! so the next time a fan waves at the camera with his left are we going to say he is handist and having a go at Button?

No doubt someone at this point will be wanting to say, ah but that is different, is it really, skin colour, hair colour, which hand you use to write is a genetic card we get dealt. so why is some cards looked on as worse than others!

on a lighter note if someone dressed up with a pillow under his shirt pretending to be Montoya was on screen, would that be classed as wrong?

Are you some sort of F-ing retard or just an undercover racist yourself?

Know one in history has been abducted,raped,murdered and kidnapped just because he has ginger hair but millions upon millions over a 400 year period of black people have, solely because of the colour of their skin. To even try to make out that it's the same just tells me that you are a F-king racist who probably thinks it's funny that a Spaniard who is probably still angry because the BLACK Moors took over his country 100s of years ago.

Do you think the Nazi killing jews in the second world war is funny? because the pain and suffering doesn't even come close to the 400 years of murder, ****, castration, branding,history stolen and languages forgotten and names changed to that of the slave master name.

You are a tool who has no idea what the meaning of the word slavery means to a black person.

It was the Spanish/Portuguese and the Britons that turned it into a skin thing and made billions of cash over a 400 year period. Without slavery ,banks like Lloyd and Barclay and Nat West and would not be here today. All these banks stated off by insuring slave master who carried ship loads of black people piled up on top of each other across the sea to the new world. Queen Elizibeth commisioned the first voyage to Africa so John Hawkins could show her the money to be made on black skin.

The good ship Jesus with it's coat of arms showing a bound and tied black man.Your history teacher never told you this but i bet he told you about sir Francis drake and Oliver Cromwell ,who all had slaves along with all the other members of parliament in them days.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/the% ... Sships.jpg

So from this you can now gather that racist comments and action mean a lot more to a black person than they would by a person with ginger hair.

Get an education dim wit...

Yeah i know slavery has been around for time eternal,yes you are right but it was never because of the colour of the skin,it was through conquest. The Romans had slaves from all over they're empire and they ranged from all colours. When they invaded Briton they took white slaves just like they took black slaves when the invaded Carthage.

This is what Lewis is up against but he puts his head down and continues,he should be commended for it just like he is slated for lying.

I am unsure how you can class me as a racist! All I have pointed out is that why is it more acceptable to wear a ginger wig than to cover yourself in black paint/polish? Is it because I am supposed to say "Sorry" to people in the street because of how our forefathers(spl) treated people? Next you will be telling me that you want every German to apologise to every Jew he meets!

[Jabberwocky]

Ineluke, you are quite right in all you say and right to be angry but I would give jabberwocky the benefit of the doubt here and put his comments down to being tactless rather than racist.

Thank you

[EwanM]

Anyways: Toma

[Gaz]

Anyways: Toma

yeh i agree.

[Ineluke]

I think (and I am opening myself up to a flaming on this I can feel it) That the whole racism thing has got out of hand.

if an F1 driver had bright ginger hair and a fan put a ginger wig on would that be wrong?

I noticed today that Jenson Button is left handed, don't ask me why I noticed! so the next time a fan waves at the camera with his left are we going to say he is handist and having a go at Button?

No doubt someone at this point will be wanting to say, ah but that is different, is it really, skin colour, hair colour, which hand you use to write is a genetic card we get dealt. so why is some cards looked on as worse than others!

on a lighter note if someone dressed up with a pillow under his shirt pretending to be Montoya was on screen, would that be classed as wrong?

Are you some sort of F-ing retard or just an undercover racist yourself?

Know one in history has been abducted,raped,murdered and kidnapped just because he has ginger hair but millions upon millions over a 400 year period of black people have, solely because of the colour of their skin. To even try to make out that it's the same just tells me that you are a F-king racist who probably thinks it's funny that a Spaniard who is probably still angry because the BLACK Moors took over his country 100s of years ago.

Do you think the Nazi killing jews in the second world war is funny? because the pain and suffering doesn't even come close to the 400 years of murder, ****, castration, branding,history stolen and languages forgotten and names changed to that of the slave master name.

You are a tool who has no idea what the meaning of the word slavery means to a black person.

It was the Spanish/Portuguese and the Britons that turned it into a skin thing and made billions of cash over a 400 year period. Without slavery ,banks like Lloyd and Barclay and Nat West and would not be here today. All these banks stated off by insuring slave master who carried ship loads of black people piled up on top of each other across the sea to the new world. Queen Elizibeth commisioned the first voyage to Africa so John Hawkins could show her the money to be made on black skin.

The good ship Jesus with it's coat of arms showing a bound and tied black man.Your history teacher never told you this but i bet he told you about sir Francis drake and Oliver Cromwell ,who all had slaves along with all the other members of parliament in them days.

http://media.photobucket.com/image/the% ... Sships.jpg

So from this you can now gather that racist comments and action mean a lot more to a black person than they would by a person with ginger hair.

Get an education dim wit...

Yeah i know slavery has been around for time eternal,yes you are right but it was never because of the colour of the skin,it was through conquest. The Romans had slaves from all over they're empire and they ranged from all colours. When they invaded Briton they took white slaves just like they took black slaves when the invaded Carthage.

This is what Lewis is up against but he puts his head down and continues,he should be commended for it just like he is slated for lying.

I am unsure how you can class me as a racist! All I have pointed out is that why is it more acceptable to wear a ginger wig than to cover yourself in black paint/polish? Is it because I am supposed to say "Sorry" to people in the street because of how our forefathers(spl) treated people? Next you will be telling me that you want every German to apologise to every Jew he meets!

Again you show how dumb you are and as someone has put it,tactless. Did i say you had to apologise in my post,no i didn't so don't try and twist it.Just by that comment their ,which is a classic reaction from someone who is uneducated and has no idea or doesn't stop to think how a racist comment or action against a black person means a lot more than taking the piss out of someone who has ginger hair.

To even put that in the same category shows that you are uneducated and probably like the old golly wog jokes down the pub with your mates.

Next time you decide to comment on something that you can't understand,just say nothing or do some research before you write some bullpoo that is insulating at the least.

You are one of these people who probably accused black people who complain,of playing the race card.

As far as an apology goes,no you personally shouldn't but their are plenty of countries that should,don't you think. We are contentiously being reminded of how the Jews suffered but never do you hear about the suffering of blacks over the 400 years right up to the late 1800s and even into the early 1900s where lynching and murder still ran rampant in the deep south of the USA.

But alas we are getting off-topic now, so ill stop.

In the future, think before you open your month please.

[Denthúl]

No doubt someone at this point will be wanting to say, ah but that is different, is it really, skin colour, hair colour, which hand you use to write is a genetic card we get dealt. so why is some cards looked on as worse than others!

History.

I don't buy that history bullpoo. Discrimination of all kinds is equally wrong.

Of course discrimination of all kinds is wrong, but racism is a case apart. It's not in the same league as somebody making a joke about somebody's ginger hair.

On the most basic level, all discrimination is equally bad. It's only because certain forms of discrimination have been the cause (or an effect) of certain events in the past that they are viewed as worse. I don't have time for anybody who thinks any kind of discrimination is fine because, at the end of the day, we're nothing but people.

This being said, Ineluke should consider the other side of the story - racial discrimination on the part of black people against those of other races - and perhaps also consider that slavery of another race took place well before Britain and Spain began taking people from Africa and sending them to the Americas. Whilst your view that racism is disgusting is 100% accurate, where you lay the blame is far less so. Before instructing somebody to 'get educated', you should probably take the opportunity to delve deeper in to the subject and its history. You could learn a lot.

[irons_4_ever]

wow the newbies made his mark lol

[Ineluke]

No doubt someone at this point will be wanting to say, ah but that is different, is it really, skin colour, hair colour, which hand you use to write is a genetic card we get dealt. so why is some cards looked on as worse than others!

History.

I don't buy that history bullpoo. Discrimination of all kinds is equally wrong.

Of course discrimination of all kinds is wrong, but racism is a case apart. It's not in the same league as somebody making a joke about somebody's ginger hair.

On the most basic level, all discrimination is equally bad. It's only because certain forms of discrimination have been the cause (or an effect) of certain events in the past that they are viewed as worse. I don't have time for anybody who thinks any kind of discrimination is fine because, at the end of the day, we're nothing but people.

This being said, Ineluke should consider the other side of the story - racial discrimination on the part of black people against those of other races - and perhaps also consider that slavery of another race took place well before Britain and Spain began taking people from Africa and sending them to the Americas. Whilst your view that racism is disgusting is 100% accurate, where you lay the blame is far less so. Before instructing somebody to 'get educated', you should probably take the opportunity to delve deeper in to the subject and its history. You could learn a lot.

I am well aware how long slavery has been around and if you read my first post in this thread you would know that.Are you one of these people that jump in at the end of a thread without actually reading the whole thread.

Next time read the whole thread instead of jumping in without actually doing so.

[Denthúl]

No doubt someone at this point will be wanting to say, ah but that is different, is it really, skin colour, hair colour, which hand you use to write is a genetic card we get dealt. so why is some cards looked on as worse than others!

History.

I don't buy that history bullpoo. Discrimination of all kinds is equally wrong.

Of course discrimination of all kinds is wrong, but racism is a case apart. It's not in the same league as somebody making a joke about somebody's ginger hair.

On the most basic level, all discrimination is equally bad. It's only because certain forms of discrimination have been the cause (or an effect) of certain events in the past that they are viewed as worse. I don't have time for anybody who thinks any kind of discrimination is fine because, at the end of the day, we're nothing but people.

This being said, Ineluke should consider the other side of the story - racial discrimination on the part of black people against those of other races - and perhaps also consider that slavery of another race took place well before Britain and Spain began taking people from Africa and sending them to the Americas. Whilst your view that racism is disgusting is 100% accurate, where you lay the blame is far less so. Before instructing somebody to 'get educated', you should probably take the opportunity to delve deeper in to the subject and its history. You could learn a lot.

I am well aware how long slavery has been around and if you read my first post in this thread you would know that.Are you one of these people that jump in at the end of a thread without actually reading the whole thread.

Next time read the whole thread instead of jumping in without actually doing so.

Again, before instructing someone to read, perhaps you should take it upon yourself to do so?

This being said, Ineluke should consider the other side of the story - racial discrimination on the part of black people against those of other races - and perhaps also consider that slavery of another race took place well before Britain and Spain began taking people from Africa and sending them to the Americas.

There is the point I am making. In reference to the following which you posted:

Yeah i know slavery has been around for time eternal,yes you are right but it was never because of the colour of the skin,it was through conquest. The Romans had slaves from all over they're empire and they ranged from all colours. When they invaded Briton they took white slaves just like they took black slaves when the invaded Carthage.

That is simply not the case.

[Ineluke]

No doubt someone at this point will be wanting to say, ah but that is different, is it really, skin colour, hair colour, which hand you use to write is a genetic card we get dealt. so why is some cards looked on as worse than others!

History.

I don't buy that history bullpoo. Discrimination of all kinds is equally wrong.

Of course discrimination of all kinds is wrong, but racism is a case apart. It's not in the same league as somebody making a joke about somebody's ginger hair.

On the most basic level, all discrimination is equally bad. It's only because certain forms of discrimination have been the cause (or an effect) of certain events in the past that they are viewed as worse. I don't have time for anybody who thinks any kind of discrimination is fine because, at the end of the day, we're nothing but people.

This being said, Ineluke should consider the other side of the story - racial discrimination on the part of black people against those of other races - and perhaps also consider that slavery of another race took place well before Britain and Spain began taking people from Africa and sending them to the Americas. Whilst your view that racism is disgusting is 100% accurate, where you lay the blame is far less so. Before instructing somebody to 'get educated', you should probably take the opportunity to delve deeper in to the subject and its history. You could learn a lot.

I am well aware how long slavery has been around and if you read my first post in this thread you would know that.Are you one of these people that jump in at the end of a thread without actually reading the whole thread.I was wondering when someone would try the reverse sociology trick but unfortunately it hold no bearing to the dumb comment posted by mr dumb himself.I lay the blame for the 15 century slave trade at the right door,that's what i am talking about.

Next time read the whole thread instead of jumping in without actually doing so.

[Jensonb]

No doubt someone at this point will be wanting to say, ah but that is different, is it really, skin colour, hair colour, which hand you use to write is a genetic card we get dealt. so why is some cards looked on as worse than others!

History.

I don't buy that history bullpoo. Discrimination of all kinds is equally wrong.

Of course discrimination of all kinds is wrong, but racism is a case apart. It's not in the same league as somebody making a joke about somebody's ginger hair.

Correct..

Wrong.

[Ineluke]

No doubt someone at this point will be wanting to say, ah but that is different, is it really, skin colour, hair colour, which hand you use to write is a genetic card we get dealt. so why is some cards looked on as worse than others!

History.

I don't buy that history bullpoo. Discrimination of all kinds is equally wrong.

Of course discrimination of all kinds is wrong, but racism is a case apart. It's not in the same league as somebody making a joke about somebody's ginger hair.

On the most basic level, all discrimination is equally bad. It's only because certain forms of discrimination have been the cause (or an effect) of certain events in the past that they are viewed as worse. I don't have time for anybody who thinks any kind of discrimination is fine because, at the end of the day, we're nothing but people.

This being said, Ineluke should consider the other side of the story - racial discrimination on the part of black people against those of other races - and perhaps also consider that slavery of another race took place well before Britain and Spain began taking people from Africa and sending them to the Americas. Whilst your view that racism is disgusting is 100% accurate, where you lay the blame is far less so. Before instructing somebody to 'get educated', you should probably take the opportunity to delve deeper in to the subject and its history. You could learn a lot.

I am well aware how long slavery has been around and if you read my first post in this thread you would know that.Are you one of these people that jump in at the end of a thread without actually reading the whole thread.

Next time read the whole thread instead of jumping in without actually doing so.

Again, before instructing someone to read, perhaps you should take it upon yourself to do so?

This being said, Ineluke should consider the other side of the story - racial discrimination on the part of black people against those of other races - and perhaps also consider that slavery of another race took place well before Britain and Spain began taking people from Africa and sending them to the Americas.

There is the point I am making. In reference to the following which you posted:

Yeah i know slavery has been around for time eternal,yes you are right but it was never because of the colour of the skin,it was through conquest. The Romans had slaves from all over they're empire and they ranged from all colours. When they invaded Briton they took white slaves just like they took black slaves when the invaded Carthage.

That is simply not the case.

By posting "this is simply not the case" is BS,instead show me why it isn't the case.

Are you saying that the Romans never took slaves when they invaded Briton or Carthage? please tell me you are not because you are the one who is uneducated.

Romans took slaves through conquest not skin colour,this came with the Portuguese and the British,hell the word race was only introduced in the 15 century.

You really need to do your research instead of posting one liners..

"that is simply not true" nice try though.

Anyone can post that line.

[Denthúl]

No doubt someone at this point will be wanting to say, ah but that is different, is it really, skin colour, hair colour, which hand you use to write is a genetic card we get dealt. so why is some cards looked on as worse than others!

History.

I don't buy that history bullpoo. Discrimination of all kinds is equally wrong.

Of course discrimination of all kinds is wrong, but racism is a case apart. It's not in the same league as somebody making a joke about somebody's ginger hair.

On the most basic level, all discrimination is equally bad. It's only because certain forms of discrimination have been the cause (or an effect) of certain events in the past that they are viewed as worse. I don't have time for anybody who thinks any kind of discrimination is fine because, at the end of the day, we're nothing but people.

This being said, Ineluke should consider the other side of the story - racial discrimination on the part of black people against those of other races - and perhaps also consider that slavery of another race took place well before Britain and Spain began taking people from Africa and sending them to the Americas. Whilst your view that racism is disgusting is 100% accurate, where you lay the blame is far less so. Before instructing somebody to 'get educated', you should probably take the opportunity to delve deeper in to the subject and its history. You could learn a lot.

I am well aware how long slavery has been around and if you read my first post in this thread you would know that.Are you one of these people that jump in at the end of a thread without actually reading the whole thread.

Next time read the whole thread instead of jumping in without actually doing so.

Again, before instructing someone to read, perhaps you should take it upon yourself to do so?

This being said, Ineluke should consider the other side of the story - racial discrimination on the part of black people against those of other races - and perhaps also consider that slavery of another race took place well before Britain and Spain began taking people from Africa and sending them to the Americas.

There is the point I am making. In reference to the following which you posted:

Yeah i know slavery has been around for time eternal,yes you are right but it was never because of the colour of the skin,it was through conquest. The Romans had slaves from all over they're empire and they ranged from all colours. When they invaded Briton they took white slaves just like they took black slaves when the invaded Carthage.

That is simply not the case.

By posting "this is simply not the case" is BS,instead show me why it isn't the case.

Are you saying that the Romans never took slaves when they invaded Briton or Carthage? please tell me you are not because you are the one who is uneducated.

Romans took slave through conquest not skin colour,this came with the Portuguese and the British,hell the word race was only introduced in the 15 century.

You really need to do your research instead of posting one liners..

"that is simply not true" nice try though.

Anyone can post that line.

Once again, you are displaying how little you know about the subject. I'm not disputing that the Romans took slaves, nor am I disputing the fact that race didn't play a part in the selection of slaves. What I am disputing is the fact that you seem to think racism and race-based slavery only started with the British, Portuguese and Spanish ventures in to Africa (note the part in bold ). I'm willing to bet you had no idea that slave trade in Arab nations saw more black, African slaves being shipped around than during the trans-Atlantic slave trade, did you? Similarly, I'm willing to bet that you did not know it started the best part of one thousand years before the trans-Atlantic slave trade.

So, there you go. You have your answer.

[Ineluke]

No doubt someone at this point will be wanting to say, ah but that is different, is it really, skin colour, hair colour, which hand you use to write is a genetic card we get dealt. so why is some cards looked on as worse than others!

History.

I don't buy that history bullpoo. Discrimination of all kinds is equally wrong.

Of course discrimination of all kinds is wrong, but racism is a case apart. It's not in the same league as somebody making a joke about somebody's ginger hair.

On the most basic level, all discrimination is equally bad. It's only because certain forms of discrimination have been the cause (or an effect) of certain events in the past that they are viewed as worse. I don't have time for anybody who thinks any kind of discrimination is fine because, at the end of the day, we're nothing but people.

This being said, Ineluke should consider the other side of the story - racial discrimination on the part of black people against those of other races - and perhaps also consider that slavery of another race took place well before Britain and Spain began taking people from Africa and sending them to the Americas. Whilst your view that racism is disgusting is 100% accurate, where you lay the blame is far less so. Before instructing somebody to 'get educated', you should probably take the opportunity to delve deeper in to the subject and its history. You could learn a lot.

I am well aware how long slavery has been around and if you read my first post in this thread you would know that.Are you one of these people that jump in at the end of a thread without actually reading the whole thread.

Next time read the whole thread instead of jumping in without actually doing so.

Again, before instructing someone to read, perhaps you should take it upon yourself to do so?

This being said, Ineluke should consider the other side of the story - racial discrimination on the part of black people against those of other races - and perhaps also consider that slavery of another race took place well before Britain and Spain began taking people from Africa and sending them to the Americas.

There is the point I am making. In reference to the following which you posted:

Yeah i know slavery has been around for time eternal,yes you are right but it was never because of the colour of the skin,it was through conquest. The Romans had slaves from all over they're empire and they ranged from all colours. When they invaded Briton they took white slaves just like they took black slaves when the invaded Carthage.

That is simply not the case.

By posting "this is simply not the case" is BS,instead show me why it isn't the case.

Are you saying that the Romans never took slaves when they invaded Briton or Carthage? please tell me you are not because you are the one who is uneducated.

Romans took slave through conquest not skin colour,this came with the Portuguese and the British,hell the word race was only introduced in the 15 century.

You really need to do your research instead of posting one liners..

"that is simply not true" nice try though.

Anyone can post that line.

Once again, you are displaying how little you know about the subject. I'm not disputing that the Romans took slaves, nor am I disputing the fact that race didn't play a part in the selection of slaves. What I am disputing is the fact that you seem to think racism and race-based slavery only started with the British, Portuguese and Spanish ventures in to Africa. I'm willing to bet you had know idea that slave trade in Arab nations saw more black, African slaves being shipped around than during the trans-Atlantic slave trade, did you? Similarly, I'm willing to bet that you did not know it started the best part of one thousand years before the trans-Atlantic slave trade.

So, there you go. You have your answer.

Again you assume without knowing what you are talking about. Did you read the part of my post where i said that slavery has been around for an eternity. Do you really think that i don't no that many Africans and Arabs had slaves just like many Romans had slaves and many other cultures. In your quests to prove me wrong you are assuming things that you think i don't know.

Show me where in any of my post that i said the British,Portuguese or Spanish started the slave trade,you can't can you.People like you are great entertainment though because you make things up that slimly were not said just to win the argument.

About the TRANS ATLANTIC SLAVE TRADE.. Yes people were being shipped around and being sold to WHITE slaver or business men throughout the new world and London. White slaver actually paid some black African groups to kidnap other groups from the interior because they were two scared to go deeper into Africa,especially around Guinea. The British bought a whole new meaning to slavery by turning it into a multi million pound industry over a period of 400 years. Without the British involvement and the other European country the Trans Atlantic slave trade would not of gone on so long and would not have given these country's,including America the great wealth they had.

Next time before you assume that i don't no these things,ask me and i will gladly educate you.

Again show me where i stated that these country started slavery.

"Oh an educated black man" that's not good is it...

This is great isn't it.