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[f1ea]

Yep. They (the manufacturers, not FOTA) must surely know they've had their bluff called here. They can't even threaten to leave because there are that many teams who could concievably replace them, or even break away into their own series cause it'll be those 5 manufacturer teams spending what they want and that'd be it - never gonna work!

It annoys me seeing all these 'FOTA calls for talks' etc articles because it isn't FOTA at all, just the manufacturers... who may well agree to the idea of the cap, but want it to be much higher so their spending advantage isn't as badly affected.

But the issue is not just about the budget cap, the concern is probably related to the way the earnings will be distributed once the cap is in place and the way the decisions are being made. I think the cap is vital, but the way it can be implemented has to be much more sensitive than how the FIA wants to enforce it; this is probably where the problem lies.

[racechick]

Yep. They (the manufacturers, not FOTA) must surely know they've had their bluff called here. They can't even threaten to leave because there are that many teams who could concievably replace them, or even break away into their own series cause it'll be those 5 manufacturer teams spending what they want and that'd be it - never gonna work!

It annoys me seeing all these 'FOTA calls for talks' etc articles because it isn't FOTA at all, just the manufacturers... who may well agree to the idea of the cap, but want it to be much higher so their spending advantage isn't as badly affected.

But the issue is not just about the budget cap, the concern is probably related to the way the earnings will be distributed once the cap is in place and the way the decisions are being made. I think the cap is vital, but the way it can be implemented has to be much more sensitive than how the FIA wants to enforce it; this is probably where the problem lies.

Yes I agree.

[DonPolo]

Just seen the press release from FIA re: next years scoring.
Pants.
In the instance of say a 17 race season, as soon as a driver hits 9 wins it's game over for the rest.
And that driver or team don't even need to compete further as there is no chance of anyone else passing.
At least with a points system the longevity and reliability of a team are rewarded. As far as I can tell, the points system is more in the spirit of the sport than an outright kill count, and isn't that what the FIA keep harping on about, "the Spirit of Competition".
So why, do we think, is it that as soon as a team lose out by a point the changes are instituted?
I have watched and followed F1 since the early 80's, seen many changes, some good, some bad. This year the tyre and aerodynamic changes have radically reformed F1 to bring a much more level field, so to speak, or a tighter grid. And at last we seem to be having some real competitive racing. The capping system may work too, if it is enforced correctly, however even this has been provided with loopholes for the more affluent teams. And then they blow it all by bringing in a ridiculous scoring system.
What incentive is there for any team to try to compete for a consistent top 3 position, only to be penalised by a sudden death, high head count form of championship. Maybe the A1 formula with all equal equipment and strict modification limitations is a little too much like fair competition for the big money in F1, but at least it gives some entertaining racing for the people who actually provide the funding for the sport, Jo Public.
Jo Public by the way cannot get to comment to the FIA or F1 via their web sites, afraid of what the public may say mayhap.

[csrracer]

Bernie and Company have obviously lost their minds, because nobody in their right mind would want to change a points system in a race series that came down to the last turn of the last race to decide a championship. Hollywood couldn't write it any better, No sane person would want to change it. Maybe they could get rid of Bernie and Max legally based on insanity?

[Ste L]

Maybe they could get rid of Bernie and Max legally based on insanity?

If only...

[cap-dude]

-- James Allen --
There was quite a bit of chatter last week about the inclusion of the ‘winner takes all’ clause in the 2010 sporting regulations, whereby the driver who had the most wins would become world champion.

The FIA had tried in March to introduce it for the 2009 season, but needed the teams’ agreement, which wasn’t forthcoming. It was assumed by most people, including teams and by me, that the system would be introduced in 2010 instead. After the World Council Meeting on 29th April, the rules were published with the winner takes all system in place.

Now it’s gone again.

Two days ago, May 6th, the sporting regulations for 2010 were published again, but with the original system back in place, instead of winner takes all, it says the following,

“The Formula One World Championship driver’s title will be awarded to the driver who has scored the highest number of points, taking into consideration all the results obtained during the Events which have actually taken place. “

In other words back to the way it has been in recent years.

It turns out that it was not something slipped in to the rules on April 29th, but there was simply a mistake made in the version published after the April 29th meeting. When the teams brought it to FIA Race Director Charlie Whiting’s attention it was quickly rectified in the version published on Wednesday.

There is so much else going on at the moment with the row over the budget cap, that it seems winner takes all will be taking a back seat for the time being.

Oh, righto.

Good Stuff then

[scotty]

^^^^ Looks like they've seen sense from the evidence of the first few races then, finally!

[Frosty]

Yeah just read that on JA site I'm glad that it's not going to be in regulations and that there sticking to the traditional points system though I do prefer FOTA score system.

[Denthúl]

Yeah just read that on JA site I'm glad that it's not going to be in regulations and that there sticking to the traditional points system though I do prefer FOTA score system.

The way this season is looking, even the FOTA system wouldn't be much improvement over the 'winner takes all' system.

[Jensonb]

I'm just glad Winner Takes it All is off the table for next year at the moment. I would hate to have that stupid system in place.

[Arsenal 1-nil]

People are dumb. People will habitually work against their own best interests. Therefore: BERNIE IS A GOD. Surely he must be right.

[bud]

and at the 1/4 time break its a 1-0 lead to FOTA

[EwanM]

Its ok, im sure the FIA can bring on its big guns.

[yamashek]

oh thank you thank you thank you
FOTA

[EwanM]

You ain't seen nothing yet.