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#281173
with all of this safety talk, has anyone suggested that maybe they should re-evaluate the kind of tracks Indycars race at? THAT seems to be the fundamental problem. Fortifying the cars with canopies or stronger chassis will just escalate the issue, making organizers more comfortable picking even more dangerous circuits for spectacular rac- *ahem* crashes *ahem*.
#281203
Major motorsports (f1, NASCAR, Indy, moto gp) still have less deaths a year then American football


I don't remember the last time an NFL player died in a game or even practice... Unless you're taking into account non-professional football as well (maybe hundreds of thousands of players), which wouldn't be an accurate comparison to professional motorsports.

EDIT: I'm not sure where you got your stats from, but according to the wiki page here, there have been four in-game deaths in all of professional football history. Five if you count Canadian football.
#281211
Major motorsports (f1, NASCAR, Indy, moto gp) still have less deaths a year then American football

Completely irrelevant.

1. Lump together Pop Warner, Jr Hi, Hi School, university and the pros and the total number of footballers in America dwarfs the number of racing drivers.
2. Racing is not a "contact sport." There are supposed to be collisions on every play in every football match.
#281222
There are more footballers in America,

I was just trying to point out how far f1 has come with safety compared to other sports advances in safety
#281376
Although I'm no fan of the look of the new Indy Car, I do admire them for doing something constructive to try and make racing safer. I read that the preliminary investigation to Wheldon's crash is under way, and the Indy Car drivers and administrators have had a positive meeting to discuss advances in safety. The findings from this will make interesting reading no doubt, especially if the argument for closed cockpits is put forward....

It is in my opinion, that unfortunately you can't design the aerodynamics of Indy Cars to discourage side by side racing, as then no one would pass. Ovals are a peculiarity in racing.

Circuit racing of single seater's generally relies on a slipstream helping catapult you next to the car in front, and the side by side racing usually happens as both cars SLOW DOWN substantially before entering a corner. Problem is, you don't slow down on most 1.5 mile or larger ovals...

I believe those who simply say ban ovals, or claim them as dumb or stupid, are simply ignorant about them. Having been involved in both ashpalt, and dirt oval racing, I can say, that it is really a fascinating style of racing. The precision required in car set up, and even more so to drive an oval car is puts circuit racing in the shade in some respects. Circuit cars are a very compromised in set up by comparison. Some of most cunning, and fine-tuned set up ideas I've ever come across, come from oval cars.

Ask someone like Juan Pablo Montoya, which style of racing is the most difficult to master.......
#281382
The new Indycar looks great and I think Formula One should adapt some of the ideas. Particularly of interest is that they seek to stop cars launching by protecting the back tires.

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Why not just cover the damn tire? Just some stubborn attempt to keep it an "open wheel" car?
#282130
What we actually need is for those who know what they are talking about to properly investigate whether closed cockpits truly are safer. I would not mind closed cockpits if they truly do improve safety.

It has been decades now since there has been a fatal accident in F1. No physical sport can be made 100% safe, but F1 seems to have done what is necessary to reduce risks.


Out of the opinions here I find myself agreeing with this. F1s safety record in recent times is unparalleled but this does not mean we should be complacent. If it can be proven that closed cockpits SIGNIFICANTLY reduce the chance of a fatal accident then they should be adopted but it would to my mind have to be a decent percentage jump to warrant such a change.
#419557
Thought I'd bring this thread back as it's sure to be talked about in the media again given Jules' accident. But wouldn't the air intake being extended over the driver's head acting as a crash structure provide nearly as much protection as an enclosed cockpit? Certainly would have helped in this type of accident when the car submarined under the crane.

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