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[bud]

Ferrari and McLaren both got the ruling correct, you cant blame Schumacher for his team saying to him its ok to pass. And you cant blame his team because the ruling is open to interpretation especially when there is green flags flashing about!

So now that Mercedes stuffed it up and this wasnt Ferrari's evil doing, are you gona get rid of your sill Ferrari avatar and also those Alonso pictures on your signture and put back the McLaren ones that really should be there?

i have to have them for a week, that was the bet!

[AKR]

Ferrari and McLaren both got the ruling correct, you cant blame Schumacher for his team saying to him its ok to pass. And you cant blame his team because the ruling is open to interpretation especially when there is green flags flashing about!

So now that Mercedes stuffed it up and this wasnt Ferrari's evil doing, are you gona get rid of your sill Ferrari avatar and also those Alonso pictures on your signture and put back the McLaren ones that really should be there?

i have to have them for a week, that was the bet!

Must be very painful. I know it would hurt if I had to put McLaren for me for a week. But I must say you are very brave to have them on for a week. We all know you as Mr McLaren, but if a newbie were to join the forum right now and see them, he/she will think you are a Red Baron Warrior.

[vaptin]

We don't get any Newbies anymore, I think we scare all potential members of.

[bud]

Ferrari and McLaren both got the ruling correct, you cant blame Schumacher for his team saying to him its ok to pass. And you cant blame his team because the ruling is open to interpretation especially when there is green flags flashing about!

So now that Mercedes stuffed it up and this wasnt Ferrari's evil doing, are you gona get rid of your sill Ferrari avatar and also those Alonso pictures on your signture and put back the McLaren ones that really should be there?

i have to have them for a week, that was the bet!

Must be very painful. I know it would hurt if I had to put McLaren for me for a week. But I must say you are very brave to have them on for a week. We all know you as Mr McLaren, but if a newbie were to join the forum right now and see them, he/she will think you are a Red Baron Warrior.

they would be confused by my comments regarding Ferrari then

[stonemonkey]

Hmmm, I wonder what sort of carrot the FIA dangled in front of Mercedes.

[hesketh308]

Hmmm, I wonder what sort of carrot the FIA dangled in front of Mercedes.

"Shut up or GTFO"

[billindenver]

I have to say that I wonder what was said or offered to Mercedes in order to drop the appeal. It it blatantly clear now that we've all seen the videos and pics that the track was green. As bud said earlier, the meaning of a green flag is the first thing you learn and is universal in all countries around this planet. It seems unbelievable to me that Mercedes would not make a big deal over the horribly inept manner in which that safety car period was handled. Unless there was some sort of communication with the teams from race control that none of us know about saying the safety car was coming in but the track is still under a full course yellow...I can't see how Mercedes could be held at fault for this. Even then....the green flags could be said to overrule a communication through the network.

Don't get me wrong, I am as happy to see Schuey get no points as I was to see Hamilton's front tire explode...but even if it were Hamilton that received this penalty (well...maybe), I would have to say it seems very odd to me. Green means go....always. Very odd.

[f1ea]

i have to have them for a week, that was the bet!

a glorious week indeed.

Ferrari and McLaren both got the ruling correct, you cant blame Schumacher for his team saying to him its ok to pass. And you cant blame his team because the ruling is open to interpretation especially when there is green flags flashing about!

the rule is very clear. But the marshals waving their flags contributed to the confusion, I for one thought the pass was fully legal until i read the rule...

The psychological effect of that pass on Fernando is a lot greater than the penny pts lost

[madbrad]

Either the rule needs fine tuning or the marshals were wrong to fly green flags. Green flags and a no pass rule are contradictory.
Ross Brawn likely knew he was taking a gamble interpreting it that way. You don't get to be the best strategist in the paddock by pu ssy footing around.

[FerrariFan63]

Either the rule needs fine tuning or the marshals were wrong to fly green flags. Green flags and a no pass rule are contradictory.

It's very easy to fix the situation. All they needed to do was add the words to say that if the race is to be ending under the safety car, that the flags will remain yellow and the message "RACE ENDING UNDER THE SAFETY CAR" will be displayed on the timing screens. Therefore, there is no possible ambiguity. It astounds me that the FIA can produce such a large number of poorly designed rules which allow situations such as we saw on Sunday to happen.

[stonemonkey]

the rule is very clear.

40.13 If the race ends whilst the safety car is deployed it will enter the pit lane at the end of the last lap and the cars will take the chequered flag as normal without overtaking.

If the race ends with the safety car deployed then the safety car will pit before the end of the race????????? to me that is not clear and if taken literally the rule is some sort of paradox.

It worked and was clear with the previous rules where the safety car conditions always applied up to the completed lap at the start/finish line, that has changed though and it is evident from the use of the word 'normal' at the end of the rule 40.13 that it was not changed in accordance with the new rule as what is described in the rule is no longer normal procedure.

Even the FIA say the rule isn't clear.

The full statement from the FIA:
The problems identified during the final lap of the Monaco Grand Prix, counting for the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship, showed a lack of clarity in the application of the rule prohibiting overtaking behind the Safety Car.

Adjustments to the regulations are necessary to clarify the procedure that cars must meet when the last lap is controlled by the Safety Car whilst also ensuring that the signalling for teams and drivers is made more clear.

These adjustments will help to avoid the problem which occurred during the Monaco Grand Prix from happening in the future.

The Formula One Commission, upon a proposal of the F1 Sporting Working Group will submit an amendment to the Sporting Regulations to address this issue. These amendments will be considered by the World Motor Sport Council at its next meeting in Geneva on June 23.

[billindenver]

It is clear to me that the rules are unclear.

[vaptin]

Now over to Ted, he has news:

Mark Webber had a close call with the FIA stewards before the race even started. He broke the pit lane speed limit on his lap to the grid by 10km/h. Despite it technically being in the 'race' session of the weekend, Mark escaped with a £2,000 fine.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 694243.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Mark's gotten away with quite a lot so far.

[f1ea]

Even the FIA say the rule isn't clear.

It is clear to me that the rules are unclear.

The rule itself is clear, the problem was the green flags waved. The safety car did what the rules said it would and the teams were informed SC was coming in at the end of the lap, as the rule says.

[bud]

Now over to Ted, he has news:

Mark Webber had a close call with the FIA stewards before the race even started. He broke the pit lane speed limit on his lap to the grid by 10km/h. Despite it technically being in the 'race' session of the weekend, Mark escaped with a £2,000 fine.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/motorsp ... 694243.stm" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;

Mark's gotten away with quite a lot so far.

lets be honest thats a fair call! You either get fined or a drive through penalty, you cant expect a drive through penalty before the race has even started.