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[CookinFlat6]

As long as non of you guys have sneakily drunk my beer by the time I wash my hands and return to the table its all good

[The Second Coming]

Will they still be serving when the fight goes on? It will make the difference between being a number 1 or number 2

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Of course! Keep the chicken wings and stuffed potato skins coming. A pub fight on an empty stomach is no good...no good for anyone.

[Hammer278]

I'm tempted to rename this thread "Roth's and CookinFlat6's Playground" so that there won't be any high expectations when other members happen to accidentally stumble into this thread while looking for the Russian Grand Prix discussion

That would be like walking into a pub and a fight is already in full swing. You're not sure whether to 1. turn and quickly head out the door, 2. move to a corner where you can safely watch the carnage or 3. figure out who the winner might be and jump on his side...maybe even get in a shot of your own by smashing a beer bottle over the loser's head. Hmmm...lets see, #1, 2 or 3?

Such fun!

Huh....saying I'd be #3 is an insult mate. I don't think I take the 'winners' side, I take the side of who is right.

But mostly, I just enjoy



And heckle the idiot(s) once in while.

[The Second Coming]

I'm tempted to rename this thread "Roth's and CookinFlat6's Playground" so that there won't be any high expectations when other members happen to accidentally stumble into this thread while looking for the Russian Grand Prix discussion

That would be like walking into a pub and a fight is already in full swing. You're not sure whether to 1. turn and quickly head out the door, 2. move to a corner where you can safely watch the carnage or 3. figure out who the winner might be and jump on his side...maybe even get in a shot of your own by smashing a beer bottle over the loser's head. Hmmm...lets see, #1, 2 or 3?

Such fun!

Huh....saying I'd be #3 is an insult mate. I don't think I take the 'winners' side, I take the side of who is right.

But mostly, I just enjoy



And heckle the idiot(s) once in while.

I suspect in a pub fight, the winner is right. You're not useful being right and getting your arse handed to you.

[overboost]

Quick question OB, why didnt Nico qualify on pole with the faster setup? I take it you have heard of park ferme? Or do you think Lewis is just so much faster and smarter that is able to beat Nico even in a slower car.

Rosberg likely had his car tuned more for the race while Hamilton went for a fast qually lap. And as racechick astutely points out below both drivers were on Hamilton's setup after Rosberg's dismal Friday experiments, Rosberg just seemed to make it his own and got an amazing drive out of it.

Before quali it was reported that Nico would be reverting to Lewis' set up as the experimental one he tried didn't work. So if he had a winning set up, it was down to Lewis. That's said, Nico has given Lewis a run for his money in quali, there aren't many that can live with Lewis' one lap speed but Nico has shown that sometimes he can, credit there. ( but the quali scores are somewhat skewed by Minavo, Hokenheim and Hungary...is it Hungary? The engine fire one? ) . It's in race conditions and direct combat that Nico can't live with Lewis. Lewis was cruising on Sunday, it was a stroll in the park.
And I agree Austin, barring unforeseen circumstances will be Lewis'.

Again, the only thing I've heard re set up for quali v race is Lewis saying he's got things wrong before by setting the car too much for quali and not enough for the race, this was in regards to Japan, but evidence suggests he tends to favour setting up for the race rather than quali.
Rosberg did well to get second, the best recovery of his mistake he could have done. But he didn't overtake 18 cars as you said, it was ten cars. He wasn't a pitstop down on everyone else, he wasjust out of synch on tyres that could have done a whole race , and you haven't addressed the issue that Hamilton was cruising. Or the issue that even if Rosberg had got past Lewis and made the move stick( something he's been unable to do all season) Lewis would have taken him back ( something he has done this season)

I had likened the race in Sochi to that of Monaco this year where Rosberg was ahead on a track where overtaking is difficult. Hamilton trailed Rosberg by about a second the whole race (until the whole dirt in the eye thing) and he couldn't find a way past. Rosberg certainly had the pace do this in Sochi as well as also the ability to make the tires last 52 laps without deg which no one else on track was able to do, just look a Bottas who was on much fresher tires yet had troubles with degradation. Rosberg was able to save a pit stop and gained himself a good race result.

[What's Burning?]

I had likened the race in Sochi to that of Monaco this year where Rosberg was ahead on a track where overtaking is difficult. Hamilton trailed Rosberg by about a second the whole race (until the whole dirt in the eye thing) and he couldn't find a way past. Rosberg certainly had the pace do this in Sochi as well as also the ability to make the tires last 52 laps without deg which no one else on track was able to do, just look a Bottas who was on much fresher tires yet had troubles with degradation. Rosberg was able to save a pit stop and gained himself a good race result.

If only he wouldn't have locked it up so badly in turn two. I mean, screwing up an entire race in turn two! It worked better for Nico in Spa screwing up his teammate's race in lap two. Couldn't he have tried that instead again?

[Nin-Chin]

Bottas had no issues with tyre deg on the primes overboost, he did struggle towards the end of his soft stint though. Bottas actually said that he struggled to switch the tyre on which is why he was yoyoing in terms of pace when he was on the primes. I'm sure Lewis could have done the same thing as Nico too, mind you Lewis is not hard on his tyres anymore and is a very economical in terms of fuel. Remember Nico said mid way through the race after cars ahead started pitting his tyres started coming back to him and he started lapping quickly while Lewis was cruising up front. I'm sure Hamilton would have had to pace to beat Nico - I mean, he was the fastest car for pretty much the whole weekend.

The right car won on Sunday.


Bottas quote: "At the beginning it seemed to be really good and I didn't seem too far off Lewis, everything was going to plan, the tyres were feeling good," Bottas said. "Suddenly the rear tyres started to, I started to lose pace and struggling more and more and Lewis was getting far away. Then we stopped for the prime and it took a really long time to get that tyre to work. I got my best lap in the last lap of the race, it was really weird."

[CookinFlat6]

I'm sure Lewis could have done the same thing as Nico too, mind you Lewis is not hard on his tyres anymore and is a very economical in terms of fuel.

There was never any evidence confirming that Lewis was ever 'particularily' hard on his tyres in comparison to any other driver who pursued the same types of strategy. So I am not sure is 100% correct to say Lewis is not hard on his tyres anymore as this implies that he was hard on his tyres after adjusting for strategy choice

i.e if one driver goes for a 1 stopper and the other goes for a 2 stopper then it will appear as though 1 of them is harder on his tyres if strategy choice was not considered. He may have preferred 'tyre limited stategies' or he may even have preferred the tyre with more deg, but the underlying facts came from the best evidence - the testimony of the tyre makers who collect regular samples of the tyres and are kept in the loop and have no bias.

And they did confirm that Lewis was NO HARDER at all on his tyres than his teammate - lets even put aside the claims that his teammate was especially gentle on the tyres, and apart from this evidence from Pirelli, I think we can all remmeber races a few years ago when Lewis put on a master show of tyre management and we also remember races where he disgraced his teammate on tyre management Korea?

You could say he has become even better with tyres than before as evidenced by his trouncing of Nico almost every race in the tyre management department

but it would be a real struggle to stick the 'Lewis used to be hard on tyres' rap except on a couple of the usual suspects in here - especially those who do not even understand the difference between tyre performance fading from heat or overwork or the chemical reactions failing to gell properly VS good old fashioned degradation of the rubber/synthetic content.

[What's Burning?]

It's funny how only certain drivers get the lions' share of the negative stigma. Lewis whines, Vettel fingers, Jenson lacks grip, Alonso back stabs, but certain drivers don't get any stigma regardless what they do.

Kimi obviously falls into the other type of category. But based on what I've seen, I think Nico will walk away from this season with clean hands. Without the stigma of playing dirty, being hard on tires, or not being able to manage fuel load well. Whether he wins the championship or not. That's just how it goes for some people.

[CookinFlat6]

i dunno about Nico, apparently there were sections of the crowd booing him in Sochi at the podium presentation, i think he might get a worse rap just by sounding like MS and Seb.

Kimi tho, rumors of more drunking behaviour after sochi, a few know about the hush up after the race in Hungary several years ago when he was done for drink driving after the race, had his passport confiscated and couldnt fly out the next day with the team till a big wad of cash towards road safety changed hands. Yet at least 100 x the amount know about Lewis done for 'hooning' on an exit road from the aussie gp upon request from F1 fans who were the only ones around. I remember the indignation and disgust at how lewis didnt lose his super license after doing wheelspins on a public (but only used for track access) road

i think with kimi coming from Finland - where most of the year theres like an hour of sunlight or something silly, plus the highest suicide rates in the world, plus no one would ever go there on holiday, plus they would be the first to get invaded if Russia go on a rampage - I think people just feel sorry for him and therefore anyone without much clue about F1 will support Kimi (or more recently Seb)

what i remember most about Kimi was how quickly he lost interest and couldnt wait to run away from F1 after Lewis appeared on the scene and Kimi realised he no longer had the most raw pace on the grid - he has never been the same since

all IMHO ofcourse

[Jabberwocky]

Will they still be serving when the fight goes on? It will make the difference between being a number 1 or number 2

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Of course! Keep the chicken wings and stuffed potato skins coming. A pub fight on an empty stomach is no good...no good for anyone.

If there is beer I'll stay. No fighting unless someone spills my beer

[The Second Coming]

Will they still be serving when the fight goes on? It will make the difference between being a number 1 or number 2

Sent from my GT-S5830 using Tapatalk 2

Of course! Keep the chicken wings and stuffed potato skins coming. A pub fight on an empty stomach is no good...no good for anyone.

If there is beer I'll stay. No fighting unless someone spills my beer

There is ALWAYS beer. It's likely what contributed to the start of the fight in the first place.

[racechick]

Quick question OB, why didnt Nico qualify on pole with the faster setup? I take it you have heard of park ferme? Or do you think Lewis is just so much faster and smarter that is able to beat Nico even in a slower car.

Rosberg likely had his car tuned more for the race while Hamilton went for a fast qually lap. And as racechick astutely points out below both drivers were on Hamilton's setup after Rosberg's dismal Friday experiments, Rosberg just seemed to make it his own and got an amazing drive out of it.

Before quali it was reported that Nico would be reverting to Lewis' set up as the experimental one he tried didn't work. So if he had a winning set up, it was down to Lewis. That's said, Nico has given Lewis a run for his money in quali, there aren't many that can live with Lewis' one lap speed but Nico has shown that sometimes he can, credit there. ( but the quali scores are somewhat skewed by Minavo, Hokenheim and Hungary...is it Hungary? The engine fire one? ) . It's in race conditions and direct combat that Nico can't live with Lewis. Lewis was cruising on Sunday, it was a stroll in the park.
And I agree Austin, barring unforeseen circumstances will be Lewis'.

Again, the only thing I've heard re set up for quali v race is Lewis saying he's got things wrong before by setting the car too much for quali and not enough for the race, this was in regards to Japan, but evidence suggests he tends to favour setting up for the race rather than quali.
Rosberg did well to get second, the best recovery of his mistake he could have done. But he didn't overtake 18 cars as you said, it was ten cars. He wasn't a pitstop down on everyone else, he wasjust out of synch on tyres that could have done a whole race , and you haven't addressed the issue that Hamilton was cruising. Or the issue that even if Rosberg had got past Lewis and made the move stick( something he's been unable to do all season) Lewis would have taken him back ( something he has done this season)

I had likened the race in Sochi to that of Monaco this year where Rosberg was ahead on a track where overtaking is difficult. Hamilton trailed Rosberg by about a second the whole race (until the whole dirt in the eye thing) and he couldn't find a way past. Rosberg certainly had the pace do this in Sochi as well as also the ability to make the tires last 52 laps without deg which no one else on track was able to do, just look a Bottas who was on much fresher tires yet had troubles with degradation. Rosberg was able to save a pit stop and gained himself a good race result.

He didn't save himself a pitstop, he was on the harder tyre, the ones that did extra stops were on the softer ones. And I forgot to add that of the ten cars Rosberg overtook on track ( ie not by regaining position when they took their pitstop) all except two of them finished outside the points. Put another way, of the point scoring cars , Rosberg overtook only two, Kimi and Bottas.

[CookinFlat6]

And of those 2 Kimi was probably nursing a hangover and Bottas had problems with cold tyres and even then Nico nearly took him off making the pass

[sagi58]

Good thing the unsubstantiated gossip is about a Ferrari driver, eh?