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#229451
I started reading this thread, and I have come to the conclusion that maybe we have Bernie all wrong. We think that in a strange way Bernie is trying to do his best for F1. Maybe he is just squeezing the last bits of money out of F1 before he retires.

To be honest apart from the name I am not sure what Bernie has that makes him so powerful in F1. If you rebranded it "Formula extreme", and got all the same teams and circuits on board because of a better financial package, what would Bernie have?

The financial stranglehold on Formula 1 by Bernie and CVC is where the power of Bernie resides. Back in 08 with threat of a break-away series, the team owners should have left Bernie and CVC holding an empty bag or forced a sale back to a corporation comprised of F1 team owners.
By Jack Master
#229452
I started reading this thread, and I have come to the conclusion that maybe we have Bernie all wrong. We think that in a strange way Bernie is trying to do his best for F1. Maybe he is just squeezing the last bits of money out of F1 before he retires.

To be honest apart from the name I am not sure what Bernie has that makes him so powerful in F1. If you rebranded it "Formula extreme", and got all the same teams and circuits on board because of a better financial package, what would Bernie have?


Yes, I believe Bernie is making things correctly from a corporate point of view. In my opinion he’s leading F1 towards a splendid economic future. A man who is where he is undoubtedly isn’t a silly man and he couldn’t be either a very scrupulous one.
As you say keeping control of F1 isn’t an easy task and he has been concerned for that and still is. In my opinion he is especially afraid about great and well known teams, as Ferrari or McLaren, and about best known and followed drivers, because if they went out from F1 and organized a parallel Championship they would draw the fans with them, leaving Bernie with nothing.
I think the last FIA/FOTA confrontation was much about that. Bernie and Mosley wanted to implement very strict budget limits, the same for all teams, with the excuse that aggressive costs cutting were absolutely necessary for the survival of F1. This regulation would put Ferrari and McLaren at the same level than the rest of teams and with time would have made far easier for Bernie to control them.
The FOTA threatened with a parallel Championship and Bernie had to arrive to an agreement. Budget limitations stayed where they were, Mosley was out and Todt became the new FIA’s president.
But in my opinion, the battle continues and we don’t know where will it arrive or what is going to be his influence in the near future of F1.
Bernie has the control of the operating infrastructure and has signed short or long term contracts with teams and circuits. But his last confrontation with the FOTA has showed some signs of weakness. I believe and hope that Todt is much more out of his control than Mosley was and I guess Bernie will have to arrive to more agreements and concessions to the teams during the following years.
I hope that equilibrium of forces will help to keep some of the traditional circuits, because old teams like Ferrari or McLaren have much more respect than Bernie about history and tradition in F1. I also believe that teams like these, show more interest about old fans wishes and concerns.
By Jack Master
#229505
Here’s a sample about Bernie’s dealing with the teams. From The Sunday Times:

December 20, 2008
Edward Gorman, Motor Racing Correspondent
Bernie Ecclestone, the Formula One commercial rights-holder, launched a stinging attack on Luca di Montezemolo yesterday, effectively telling the Ferrari president to mind his own business, in the wake of the latter’s criticisms of the way Ecclestone is running the sport.
Speaking at the Ferrari factory in Maranello, Italy, this week, Di Montezemolo said that Formula One was not being run in what he called a “normal” manner, that the sport did not need a “dictator”, in a remark taken as a reference to Ecclestone, and that teams wanted more of the sport’s vast income and greater transparency from Ecclestone about the extent of that money. “We want to know more about the revenues,” he said.
An angry Ecclestone told The Times that Di Montezemolo should be the last person to be complaining about how much income the teams receive. “The only thing he has not mentioned is the extra money Ferrari get above all the other teams and all the extra things Ferrari have had for years – the ‘general help’ they are considered to have had in Formula One,” Ecclestone said.
It has always been known that Ferrari, whose presence on the grid is regarded as critical to the success and prestige of the championship, are on a special deal with Ecclestone’s company and get more money than their rivals. But Ecclestone put a figure on that for the first time yesterday, something that could be designed to drive a wedge between the Scuderia and the other teams.
“Ferrari get so much more money than everyone else,” he said. “They know exactly what they get, they are not that stupid, although they are not that bright, either. They get about $80 million (about £54 million) more. When they win the constructors’ championship, which they did this year, they got $80 million more than if McLaren had won it.”
Ecclestone added that the special deal with the Italian sports car manufacturer goes back to the attempt by the teams to form a breakaway championship in 2003, when Ferrari were the first to return to the fold. “They were the only team that broke ranks with the other manufacturers – why did they break ranks?” he said. “That’s where the $80 million comes in. We ‘bought’ Ferrari. We ‘bought’ Ferrari’s loyalty. Our deal with Ferrari was that we ‘bought’ them so they would not go to the others.”
Di Montezemolo’s call for more transparency about the huge annual income of Formula One was interpreted by Ecclestone as a thinly veiled attack on his business ethics. He said that since the first formal deal under which the teams race was signed, in 1981, the so-called Concorde Agreement, they have had the right to examine the finances of the business. “They have the right to send people into the company and search for everything,” Ecclestone said. “Ferrari in particular, more than anybody, from day one, have had the right and they’ve never done it. We have bankers here and we’ve got CVC (CVC Capital Partners, the principal owners of Formula One) checking every single solitary thing. So anybody that starts saying that we’ve done anything wrong, I’ll sue the a*** off them.”
As far as Di Montezemolo’s ambition to wrest more money for the teams from Ecclestone, the 78-year-old billionaire cast doubt on the chances of him agreeing to meeting in the new year to discuss this. Previously he had suggested that the teams should get less income, not more, in the light of the recent cost-cutting deal concluded with the FIA. He had a different idea yesterday. “What he should do, rather than asking for money, with all the extra money Ferrari gets, he should share all that amongst the teams,” Ecclestone said of Di Montezemolo.
The Ferrari president leveled a number of specific charges against Ecclestone, among them the decision to cancel the Canadian Grand Prix, which Di Montezemolo said he had found out about in the newspapers.
Once again the pugilistic Formula One official was having none of it. “The reason the Canadian Grand Prix is finished has been discussed with all the teams, including him, and it was agreed that what Canada was paying was nowhere near enough,” Ecclestone said.
In a final thought, he suggested that the Ferrari president knows less about his company than his own employees. “It’s a shame he’s not in touch with people that seem to run the company as opposed to what he does – work as a press officer,” Ecclestone said.
#229523
SF gets more coz they spend more! They wont collect the same as Force India when they spend three times more!

:rofl:
Force India finished were? :wavey:
#229527
SF gets more coz they spend more! They wont collect the same as Force India when they spend three times more!

:rofl:
Force India finished were? :wavey:


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:wavey::wavey: I know :wavey::wavey:

The point was made that Ferrari gets more $$$ even if they finish 5th compare to rivals finishing ahead!!!

Problems reading TEX??? :hehe::hehe::hehe:
#229533
Problems reading TEX??? :hehe::hehe::hehe:

No I just enjoy fawking with newbies :wink: .


Newbie at what?? I had no idea you invented the internet,I thought Al Gore did :hehe::hehe::hehe:

Point proven, thanks :wink: .
By Jack Master
#229542
Problems reading TEX??? :hehe::hehe::hehe:

No I just enjoy fawking with newbies :wink: .


Newbie at what?? I had no idea you invented the internet,I thought Al Gore did :hehe::hehe::hehe:

Point proven, thanks :wink: .


Please Tex, as most of us have said to you countless times, gets back on topic. :yes:
#229561
Problems reading TEX??? :hehe::hehe::hehe:

No I just enjoy fawking with newbies :wink: .


Newbie at what?? I had no idea you invented the internet,I thought Al Gore did :hehe::hehe::hehe:

Point proven, thanks :wink: .


Please Tex, as most of us have said to you countless times, gets back on topic. :yes:

Now thats RICH coming from you newbie :rolleyes: !
By Jack Master
#229565
Problems reading TEX??? :hehe::hehe::hehe:

No I just enjoy fawking with newbies :wink: .


Newbie at what?? I had no idea you invented the internet,I thought Al Gore did :hehe::hehe::hehe:

Point proven, thanks :wink: .


Please Tex, as most of us have said to you countless times, gets back on topic. :yes:

Now thats RICH coming from you newbie :rolleyes: !


Sorry, Daddy! :D
#229568
Problems reading TEX??? :hehe::hehe::hehe:

No I just enjoy fawking with newbies :wink: .


Newbie at what?? I had no idea you invented the internet,I thought Al Gore did :hehe::hehe::hehe:

Point proven, thanks :wink: .


Please Tex, as most of us have said to you countless times, gets back on topic. :yes:

Now thats RICH coming from you newbie :rolleyes: !


Sorry, Daddy! :D

I thought it was Uncle Tex and not daddy? :hehe:

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