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[Jensonb]

I realise that. However if you move up and take the five points you've more of a cushion to counteract a lower score or a DNF in another race.

Kinda, but 2nd + 7th still equals a 1st

[racechick]

I realise that. However if you move up and take the five points you've more of a cushion to counteract a lower score or a DNF in another race.

Kinda, but 2nd + 7th still equals a 1st

Yep but 1st and 10th beats 2nd and 7th. so getting up to first allows you to fall further back without so much damage in another race.

[Jensonb]

I realise that. However if you move up and take the five points you've more of a cushion to counteract a lower score or a DNF in another race.

Kinda, but 2nd + 7th still equals a 1st

Yep but 1st and 10th beats 2nd and 7th. so getting up to first allows you to fall further back without so much damage in another race.

That kind of has the opposite effect of the "rewarding big scorers" thing though (As well) - it cancels out.

[racechick]

I realise that. However if you move up and take the five points you've more of a cushion to counteract a lower score or a DNF in another race.

Kinda, but 2nd + 7th still equals a 1st

Yep but 1st and 10th beats 2nd and 7th. so getting up to first allows you to fall further back without so much damage in another race.

That kind of has the opposite effect of the "rewarding big scorers" thing though (As well) - it cancels out.

But it doesnt cancel out! If you make the move you have more in the bank for a rainy day.This seems obvious to me.

[Jensonb]

I realise that. However if you move up and take the five points you've more of a cushion to counteract a lower score or a DNF in another race.

Kinda, but 2nd + 7th still equals a 1st

Yep but 1st and 10th beats 2nd and 7th. so getting up to first allows you to fall further back without so much damage in another race.

That kind of has the opposite effect of the "rewarding big scorers" thing though (As well) - it cancels out.

But it doesnt cancel out! If you make the move you have more in the bank for a rainy day.This seems obvious to me.

But it does cancel out because if you didn't have more in the bank for the rainy day then on the rainy day you would be more compelled to charge forwards.

[racechick]

I realise that. However if you move up and take the five points you've more of a cushion to counteract a lower score or a DNF in another race.

Kinda, but 2nd + 7th still equals a 1st

Yep but 1st and 10th beats 2nd and 7th. so getting up to first allows you to fall further back without so much damage in another race.

That kind of has the opposite effect of the "rewarding big scorers" thing though (As well) - it cancels out.

But it doesnt cancel out! If you make the move you have more in the bank for a rainy day.This seems obvious to me.

But it does cancel out because if you didn't have more in the bank for the rainy day then on the rainy day you would be more compelled to charge forwards.

No it doesnt cancel out! Because on the rainy day you make your move from 10th to 9th and you score 1 point. On the good day you make your move from 2nd to 1st and you score 5 points..enough for FIVE rainy days. so you make the move. Are you being deliberatly awkward with this?

[FerrariFan63]

25 points for a win??? has that been announced? big shake up if so, what are the other place/points gonna be do we know yet?

25-20-15-10-8-6-5-3-2-1

Go getters will win out over cruise and collectors- as they should

Uh, well, sort of. All they've done is make positions 4-7 less valuable relative to the others.

I think its more than that. They've made it worth overtaking to move from third to second or second to first, rather than sitting there thinking "oh I'll not bother risking it its only for two points"

The points haven't really changed that much. If you divide them by 2.5, you get:

10-8-6-3.2-2.2-2-1.2-0.8-0.4

The only real differences is there is slightly more motivation to fight for a podium place, but once a driver is on the podium, there's hardly any more motivation to overtake than there ever was. And in the lower point scoring positions, less reason to fight.

[racechick]

25 points for a win??? has that been announced? big shake up if so, what are the other place/points gonna be do we know yet?

25-20-15-10-8-6-5-3-2-1

Go getters will win out over cruise and collectors- as they should

Uh, well, sort of. All they've done is make positions 4-7 less valuable relative to the others.

I think its more than that. They've made it worth overtaking to move from third to second or second to first, rather than sitting there thinking "oh I'll not bother risking it its only for two points"

The points haven't really changed that much. If you divide them by 2.5, you get:

10-8-6-3.2-2.2-2-1.2-0.8-0.4

The only real differences is there is slightly more motivation to fight for a podium place, but once a driver is on the podium, there's hardly any more motivation to overtake than there ever was. And in the lower point scoring positions, less reason to fight.

Why is there no motivation to fight for 5 extra points once on the podium??

[darwin dali]

25 points for a win??? has that been announced? big shake up if so, what are the other place/points gonna be do we know yet?

25-20-15-10-8-6-5-3-2-1

Go getters will win out over cruise and collectors- as they should

Uh, well, sort of. All they've done is make positions 4-7 less valuable relative to the others.

I think its more than that. They've made it worth overtaking to move from third to second or second to first, rather than sitting there thinking "oh I'll not bother risking it its only for two points"

The points haven't really changed that much. If you divide them by 2.5, you get:

10-8-6-3.2-2.2-2-1.2-0.8-0.4

The only real differences is there is slightly more motivation to fight for a podium place, but once a driver is on the podium, there's hardly any more motivation to overtake than there ever was. And in the lower point scoring positions, less reason to fight.

Why is there no motivation to fight for 5 extra points once on the podium??

Because it's basically like inflation in real life: the beer price went up from 10 to 25 (units/$/rubles, whatever). The value of one unit/$, etc. has been diminished. For the difference between first and second place you still get exactly a fifth of a glass of beer even though the difference looks much bigger...

[LifeW12]

They got to do the CART and have points for Pole, Fastest Lap and Most Positions Gained.

[racechick]

25 points for a win??? has that been announced? big shake up if so, what are the other place/points gonna be do we know yet?

25-20-15-10-8-6-5-3-2-1

Go getters will win out over cruise and collectors- as they should

Uh, well, sort of. All they've done is make positions 4-7 less valuable relative to the others.

I think its more than that. They've made it worth overtaking to move from third to second or second to first, rather than sitting there thinking "oh I'll not bother risking it its only for two points"

The points haven't really changed that much. If you divide them by 2.5, you get:

10-8-6-3.2-2.2-2-1.2-0.8-0.4

The only real differences is there is slightly more motivation to fight for a podium place, but once a driver is on the podium, there's hardly any more motivation to overtake than there ever was. And in the lower point scoring positions, less reason to fight.

Why is there no motivation to fight for 5 extra points once on the podium??

Because it's basically like inflation in real life: the beer price went up from 10 to 25 (units/$/rubles, whatever). The value of one unit/$, etc. has been diminished. For the difference between first and second place you still get exactly a fifth of a glass of beer even though the difference looks much bigger...

I know how inflation works but these are racing drivers not economists , and if they can make one move which gains them 5 points rather than 5 moves in susequent races to gain the same points, they'll do it.

[Jensonb]

No it doesnt cancel out! Because on the rainy day you make your move from 10th to 9th and you score 1 point. On the good day you make your move from 2nd to 1st and you score 5 points..enough for FIVE rainy days. so you make the move. Are you being deliberatly awkward with this?

How can you not understand this? If the driver doesn't need to make those 5 moves, that robs us of 5 overtakes. As such, the one move for the win in that earlier race (And by the way I really don't think that in most situations drivers needed any more motivation to go for the win - and once again, they did not receive any extra reward for moving from 2nd-1st) means the driver doesn't have to make those 5 moves later. That cancels out the point of incentivising them for going for glory, since they can just afford to be conservative. You're not encouraging drivers to go for glory more often, you're just shuffling the numbers around.

[BritishBear]

No it doesnt cancel out! Because on the rainy day you make your move from 10th to 9th and you score 1 point. On the good day you make your move from 2nd to 1st and you score 5 points..enough for FIVE rainy days. so you make the move. Are you being deliberatly awkward with this?

How can you not understand this? If the driver doesn't need to make those 5 moves, that robs us of 5 overtakes. As such, the one move for the win in that earlier race (And by the way I really don't think that in most situations drivers needed any more motivation to go for the win - and once again, they did not receive any extra reward for moving from 2nd-1st) means the driver doesn't have to make those 5 moves later. That cancels out the point of incentivising them for going for glory, since they can just afford to be conservative. You're not encouraging drivers to go for glory more often, you're just shuffling the numbers around.

I'm with racechick on this one, but any revision to the points system is always going to have sceptics and critisisms, but I do not agree with what your saying here Jensonb. Drivers will always push for the bigger prize. The bigger the carrot (in this case, the points for the top spots), the more they will push for it, its that black & white in my opinion. Just because the size difference between the 2nd & 3rd place Carrot is the same as the size difference in the 1st & 2nd place Carrot means nothing, the 1st place Carrot is still the biggest of the lot.

Coming onto the original question here (lets not go too far off track), Point for fastest lap is a good idea (they had it in the 50's), as currently the fastest lap is just a consequential bonus, it doesn't earn the driver anything (except maybe a bragging right). Having a point for fastest lap means that it actually rewards the driver that earns it.

[racechick]

No it doesnt cancel out! Because on the rainy day you make your move from 10th to 9th and you score 1 point. On the good day you make your move from 2nd to 1st and you score 5 points..enough for FIVE rainy days. so you make the move. Are you being deliberatly awkward with this?

How can you not understand this? If the driver doesn't need to make those 5 moves, that robs us of 5 overtakes. As such, the one move for the win in that earlier race (And by the way I really don't think that in most situations drivers needed any more motivation to go for the win - and once again, they did not receive any extra reward for moving from 2nd-1st) means the driver doesn't have to make those 5 moves later. That cancels out the point of incentivising them for going for glory, since they can just afford to be conservative. You're not encouraging drivers to go for glory more often, you're just shuffling the numbers around.

Cant see it can you. Well Ive had a hard day and have had enough of this nonsense now, so you sit back and enjoy the racing with no further incentive for drivers to make a move. It's all been done for nothing.
Thanks Tex and Britishbear for understanding what I was saying. Im done now.

[Cubejam]

It doesn't cancel anything out. I think the FIA are expecting 2010 to be the closest season yet. I agree.. There won't be one team dominating. Everyone has a hold on the new rules now & I can see:
Massa, Alonso, Schumacher, Rosberg, Hamilton, Button, Webber, Vettel, ALL up there capable of winning races. Maybe even an outsider like Kubica or Heidfeld if he gets his seat at Sauber.

So the points could well be given to all of those... good news!