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#172668
This can go here, i thought it was an interesting article.

McLaren plans aggressive approach

By Jonathan Noble Monday, November 30th 2009, 11:32 GMT

McLaren is taking a more aggressive approach to the design of its 2010 car that it has with recent contenders, as it eyes a return to world title glory next year.

On the back of its impressive recovery this campaign, where it went from pre-season tail-ender to race winner by the middle of the year, McLaren says the lessons it took on board in 2009 are being applied to the design of its MP4-25.

"It's still too early to be able to say with any confidence how competitive we'll be, but all we can say with any certainty is that we've approached this year's car more aggressively than we perhaps have in the past," said McLaren's engineering director Paddy Lowe.

"We've used the knowledge we gained from heavily developing MP4-24 to stand us in good stead with the 25.

"We feel we're making very good progress, but, equally, we know there are some very capable teams out there too - I'd be surprised if Red Bull Racing and Ferrari don't come out with very strong packages, and I think Mercedes GP will produce another extremely quick car. You don't write anybody off in this business."

Lowe also believes that the fact the design of the 2010 McLaren was pretty much set in stone before Jenson Button's arrival was confirmed will not be a factor in favouring incumbent Lewis Hamilton.

When asked if it was possible the car design would suit Hamilton more, Lowe said: "Not at all. In fact, the opposite is true: you tend to design a racing car to be as neutral as possible. The only way a car is specifically designed for a driver is ergonomically, and, like I say, we're confident that won't be a problem for Jenson.

"You're trying to provide the driver with the broadest possible performance plateau upon which he can improvise to best suit his style. You'd be surprised, too, at how drivers' different approaches very often culminate in a similar lap time, so, in that respect, we're confident that our drivers will be a good match.

"Besides, you usually find that the competitive instinct takes over: when you make a Formula 1 car faster, it invariably works for both drivers. We only engineer for performance - not for individuality"

Lowe's stance about Button's smooth style not leading to any problems with the McLaren has been backed by managing director Jonathan Neale.

"We're lucky in that Lewis and Jenson both have fairly neutral driving styles – as does Pedro – so it's unlikely to be a problem for us next year," he said.

"Without the variables of fuel-load and fuel-effect, people have suggested that tyre degradation will be the next most important performance-limiting factor during a race, but we don't think that's likely to be the case.

"If you look at previous examples of a guy who's kind to his tyres, and a guy who isn't, it's rare for the guy who pushes his tyres to slip backwards in a race. I think what you see is that a driver's speed comes from a broad range of variables – and it's invariably the characteristics of the car that create a degradation issue, rather than the drivers."

And rather than express any fears about the competition between Hamilton and Button hurting McLaren's chances next year, Neale believes the varied strengths of the two drivers could help the team be more competitive.

"I'm absolutely convinced that they'll be a fantastic and competitive partnership," he said. "The reality is that they'll both bring different skill-sets to the table, and from January onwards we'll be able to very rapidly bring their wealth of knowledge and experience to bear on a number of issues – particularly during pre-season testing.

"In some ways, it multiplies our opportunities in a grand prix too: there could well be tracks where Jenson's skill-set is better-suited to the challenge, and equally, tracks where Lewis could excel. In the past, Jenson has demonstrated considerable talent at high-speed circuits, and we're looking forward to building that into our arsenal.

"As long as we provide both drivers with equal opportunities and equal machinery – something we've always done at this team – then we hope they'll be competitive everywhere."


Funny how he says that both drivers have neutral driving styles, i guess we were all wrong. :hehe:
#172698
Lewis might drive the wheels off the McLaren to be able to do another stop. How much extra fuel is he going to use?


That is a problem, but in his favour the characteristics of the car will change substantially with tyre wear and fuel usage. he will cope better with this than button who needs stablity.

There's no evidence to support that being a problem, Button is the grid's best car manager so he wouldn't have as much wear and, as Monaco shows, he'd manage better with the wear he did get. Lewis of course would just drive around the problem. There's no way of knowing if one method or the other will be faster at this stage.


The problem I was refering to was the fact that lewis will use more fuel than Jenson, I think the different driving styles are evidence of that. I also think there is plenty of evidence that Jenson is not so good when the car is not to his liking...and the car will change more next year over a race distance(and thats regardless of how well jenson looks after his tyres). So your right theres no way of knowing which will have most effect. Thats what I said. :confused:

So? What I said was you're overstating the impact.
He did struggle in OZ though and perhaps if kubica and vettle hadnt colided he might of lost the lead.

Also if you look at Brazil Lewis did alright with a long stint then..

Button had pace in hand in Oz, Kubica's chances of getting past were pretty slim.
#172717
Lewis might drive the wheels off the McLaren to be able to do another stop. How much extra fuel is he going to use?


That is a problem, but in his favour the characteristics of the car will change substantially with tyre wear and fuel usage. he will cope better with this than button who needs stablity.

There's no evidence to support that being a problem, Button is the grid's best car manager so he wouldn't have as much wear and, as Monaco shows, he'd manage better with the wear he did get. Lewis of course would just drive around the problem. There's no way of knowing if one method or the other will be faster at this stage.


The problem I was refering to was the fact that lewis will use more fuel than Jenson, I think the different driving styles are evidence of that. I also think there is plenty of evidence that Jenson is not so good when the car is not to his liking...and the car will change more next year over a race distance(and thats regardless of how well jenson looks after his tyres). So your right theres no way of knowing which will have most effect. Thats what I said. :confused:

So? What I said was you're overstating the impact.
He did struggle in OZ though and perhaps if kubica and vettle hadnt colided he might of lost the lead.

Also if you look at Brazil Lewis did alright with a long stint then..

Button had pace in hand in Oz, Kubica's chances of getting past were pretty slim.


fact is the Mclaren isn't gonna be amazing at every circuit so the chances are he's gonna have to be adaptive.
#172719
fact is the Mclaren isn't gonna be amazing at every circuit so the chances are he's gonna have to be adaptive.

:confused: I'm not saying anything about adaptiveness.
#172749
fact is the Mclaren isn't gonna be amazing at every circuit so the chances are he's gonna have to be adaptive.

:confused: I'm not saying anything about adaptiveness.


Well Jens is still gonna have to try to be it whether your saying it or not.
#172792
fact is the Mclaren isn't gonna be amazing at every circuit so the chances are he's gonna have to be adaptive.

:confused: I'm not saying anything about adaptiveness.


Well Jens is still gonna have to try to be it whether your saying it or not.

That doesn't make it a relevant response to what I said
#172798
fact is the Mclaren isn't gonna be amazing at every circuit so the chances are he's gonna have to be adaptive.

:confused: I'm not saying anything about adaptiveness.


Well Jens is still gonna have to try to be it whether your saying it or not.

That doesn't make it a relevant response to what I said

That wasn't a relevant reply to what she said.
#172804
fact is the Mclaren isn't gonna be amazing at every circuit so the chances are he's gonna have to be adaptive.

:confused: I'm not saying anything about adaptiveness.


Well Jens is still gonna have to try to be it whether your saying it or not.

That doesn't make it a relevant response to what I said

That wasn't a relevant reply to what she said.

Oh look who bungled in uninvited.

Get over it, would you?
#172816
Dont be mean jensnob, Headless can join in. :yes:
#172834
Dont be mean jensnob, Headless can join in. :yes:

Love you too :wink:

:D
#172856
Dont be mean jensnob, Headless can join in. :yes:

I'd be more accommodating if he hadn't taken every opportunity in very thread I've spoken recently to have a go.
#172861
Dont think headless has the energy or inclination to 'have a go'. He's just - er- random...in a nice way.

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