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[EwanM]

I like Rubens think hes a great guy, but he simply isn't good enough to become champion.
If Brazil is going to have a champion in the next few years I think it will be Massa, can't see it being the messiah's nephew either.

Then again some said that about Jenson.

Rubens is much like a number of drivers over the history of F1. For me it is all to do with circumstance.

Let's use Coulthard as an example. He could have been a world champion had he not had Hakkinen and Schumacher in top class cars alongside him at the sametime.

Yeah I know what your saying Ewen, but theres always someone about.There is normally multi world champions on the grid at any time.To my memory there has always been except from after four races in 1994 when there wasn't even a champion on the grid.

That's true, but there were multiple world champions on the grid this year and they were all beaten because Button and Brawn had a fantastic package. My point is this, say for example Stewart had somehow made a brilliant car in 98-99 Barrichello could have won the championship. Sometimes drivers win titles because of circumstance really. I mean again to take nothing away from Rosberg, Pironi should have been 82 champion.

I've never had too much sympathy for Rubens tbh,because at the end of the day he knew exactly what he was in for when he signed for Ferrari.

[Gaz]

I like Rubens think hes a great guy, but he simply isn't good enough to become champion.
If Brazil is going to have a champion in the next few years I think it will be Massa, can't see it being the messiah's nephew either.

Then again some said that about Jenson.

Rubens is much like a number of drivers over the history of F1. For me it is all to do with circumstance.

Let's use Coulthard as an example. He could have been a world champion had he not had Hakkinen and Schumacher in top class cars alongside him at the sametime.

But if DC had been in a different team than Mika.

Which happened to build a very good car you'd get the same thing with DC.

He wasn't an Also-ran but he wasn't a Driver capable of beating the best of the best.

Mika most definitely was.

[McLaren]

I like Rubens think hes a great guy, but he simply isn't good enough to become champion.
If Brazil is going to have a champion in the next few years I think it will be Massa, can't see it being the messiah's nephew either.

Then again some said that about Jenson.

Rubens is much like a number of drivers over the history of F1. For me it is all to do with circumstance.

Let's use Coulthard as an example. He could have been a world champion had he not had Hakkinen and Schumacher in top class cars alongside him at the sametime.

But if DC had been in a different team than Mika.

Which happened to build a very good car you'd get the same thing with DC.

He wasn't an Also-ran but he wasn't a Driver capable of beating the best of the best.

Mika most definitely was.

Yeah agreed there isn't often a driver that deserves a title and doesn't get one.People say about hard luck ,but you make your own luck most of the time.

If you look at the single most domination by a team I can remember 1988 by McLaren.Behind the scenes the amount of trouble they had was unreal the cars were unreliable but the drivers still made them win 15/16 races.

[hypertek]

i never was big on Rubens, but during this season, i seen how cool he is. very nice honest guy.

[EwanM]

i never was big on Rubens, but during this season, i seen how cool he is. very nice honest guy.

he's probably going to go on to the Brazilian version of Strictly come dancing or Dancing with the stars for you in the states, and do some lambada!

[McLaren]

i never was big on Rubens, but during this season, i seen how cool he is. very nice honest guy.

he's probably going to go on to the Brazilian version of Strictly come dancing or Dancing with the stars for you in the states, and do some lambada!

Haha yeah what all the nearly men do,whens DC on there

[EwanM]

i never was big on Rubens, but during this season, i seen how cool he is. very nice honest guy.

he's probably going to go on to the Brazilian version of Strictly come dancing or Dancing with the stars for you in the states, and do some lambada!

Haha yeah what all the nearly men do,whens DC on there

haha after his 2001 samba im surprised the beeb havent been trying to persuade him.

[7UpJordan]

i never was big on Rubens, but during this season, i seen how cool he is. very nice honest guy.

he's probably going to go on to the Brazilian version of Strictly come dancing or Dancing with the stars for you in the states, and do some lambada!

Haha yeah what all the nearly men do,whens DC on there

haha after his 2001 samba im surprised the beeb havent been trying to persuade him.

I think EJ will have been pestering DC to do one so much he'll have got fed up eventually.

[EwanM]

i never was big on Rubens, but during this season, i seen how cool he is. very nice honest guy.

he's probably going to go on to the Brazilian version of Strictly come dancing or Dancing with the stars for you in the states, and do some lambada!

Haha yeah what all the nearly men do,whens DC on there

haha after his 2001 samba im surprised the beeb havent been trying to persuade him.

I think EJ will have been pestering DC to do one so much he'll have got fed up eventually.

Get EJ on strictly... or just give him his own musical like Shane Warne.

[Bruno_Brazil]

I like Rubens think hes a great guy, but he simply isn't good enough to become champion.
If Brazil is going to have a champion in the next few years I think it will be Massa, can't see it being the messiah's nephew either.

+1.

[Jabberwocky]

I think Rubens will go down in history as the new Moss. good and fast but never won the championship.

[Gilles 27]

I think Rubens will go down in history as the new Moss. good and fast but never won the championship.

nah, Moss was the best driver in the world once Fangio retired and he wasn't far off Fangio either. Barichello has never been the best in F1. He's more like a Reuteman or Watson.

[Bruno_Brazil]

I think Rubens will go down in history as the new Moss. good and fast but never won the championship.

Not a chance.
Moss has less than 25% GP's of Rubens.
Moss has 50% more victories.
And Moss has more pole positions and fastest laps as well.
No to mention that Moss has around 1/3 of the points Rubens has got.(Please note that the points system was different)

[headless]

No to mention that Moss has around 1/3 of the points Rubens has got.(Please note that the points system was different)

Yeah that annoys me in the history books.
It looks like Fisichella was miles better than Moss. (on points)
Someone should equalise the historcial points out and give everyone the same system.

[Amanda]

No to mention that Moss has around 1/3 of the points Rubens has got.(Please note that the points system was different)

Yeah that annoys me in the history books.
It looks like Fisichella was miles better than Moss. (on points)
Someone should equalise the historcial points out and give everyone the same system.

It's the same method Piquet Jnr. used to say that he had the best first season of any Brazilian driver. Just about the only way he could possibly qualify as that was by neglecting to mention the changes in the points system, he failed in every other category.