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[nikon133]

In a way, Max got it right.

We all know how rotten and corrupt FIA was for ages, and even more in a recent years. Even if Max bowed to FOTA demands, dirty games would continue and dynamic duo would do everything in their power to undermine influence of some teams, turn them against each other... and F1 would continue growing political battles rather than track ones.

As it is, Max provided final push teams needed to make that leap of faith and start new championship - one that will, hopefully, turn new page and start from the scratch, without burden and sins of the past; a cleansing F1 really needed. Because for me (and most others, I believe) - names aside, real F1 will be where likes of Ferrari and McLaren are. On the other hand, without car manufacturers FIA will be free to make Unitarian championship they were lobbying for - one where all teams will have same engines, gearboxes... European version of Indy.

Which one will be more interesting for spectators remain to be seen, but I know where my money is.

[bud]

well said Nikon!

[f1ea]

Who are F1 fans of?
a) The teams, the drivers, the cars...
b) the bussiness, legal 'advisors' and policy makers...

It pretty much falls off the tree.

Even if Max were right, the teams must be listened to. They provide the technology, the show, sponsors, and the sporting knowledge. And they are the ones with the fans!

[Jamie]

No one gives a rats asz to be honest, we hate him? i didn't mean that at you F1-Ea, i mean as who cares if he thinks he's right? he needs to be put down like a humping dog

[stonemonkey]

Can you imagine FIFA saying that any football teams that spend over a certain budget can't play with studs?

[richindarlo]

I think Max had good ideas, he just expected too much too soon. I see his points, and kinda supported him at first. I just don't think that this is the way to do it. He needed to listen. The teams met him half way, they said yes, we need a cap, but, we also need to do it gradually, and down to an agreed level. he rejected that and lost the high ground. He has gone from hero to villain. He was on course to be the savior of F1, but now it looks like he will turn out to be its destroyer.

[Corrado]

I made an analogy to some fan friends earlier that FIA and FOTA are in a no-limit, head-up poker match. Both are pot committed and neither one has a playable hand, yet each continues to up the ante, hoping the other will fold. ... and Bernie is the 'house' dealing the cards who insists that he gets half the chips regardless... and will sue Ferrari for bluffing that they had a playable hand.

I still do agree with Max that FOTA is posturing, but I think there's a 50/50 shot that they're serious. I truly believe they would rather NOT start their own series and they know it may be worse on the outside of F1, but I think this is their power play and to bend now would severely neuter FOTA. Bernie apparently strong-armed some rebel teams leading up to Melbourne and I honestly think the teams are sick of being bullied by FIA/FOM.

What makes me still see the breakaway series as a viable possibility (which really won't be a certainty until the FIA announce a 2010 grid without the FOTA cars and without protest from the FOTA teams) is that both sides are absolutely right in what they're trying to do, at least from their perspective. To see the proof of Max's idea, look at the line of teams who signed up for the 2-tier, budget-capped 2010 F1 season. In poor economic times with the grid shrinking from year to year, the FIA did what was necessary to keep the sport going and devised an innovative and attractive way of getting new talent into the pool.

However, the FOTA teams have seen the F1 dictate the ever-changing regulations and take much of the flexibility and innovation out of the sport while FOM commands a high proportion of the profit from the teams' efforts. It makes sense for the teams to see a breakaway where they can get away from "Medals," KERS, single-tire mfg, single engine mfg (proposed), single ECU, etc., etc., etc. and get back to the core of what Formula 1 should be on mutually agreed upon terms.

If FOTA bends to the FIA's demands (and both sides have compromised to a point thus far) and can't get their core demands met, their efficacy as a united voice of the Teams will be nil and this whole little debacle will have been for nothing.

[billindenver]

I think Max had good ideas, he just expected too much too soon. I see his points, and kinda supported him at first. I just don't think that this is the way to do it. He needed to listen. The teams met him half way, they said yes, we need a cap, but, we also need to do it gradually, and down to an agreed level. he rejected that and lost the high ground. He has gone from hero to villain. He was on course to be the savior of F1, but now it looks like he will turn out to be its destroyer.

Wow, when did he go from Nazi jew hating umpalumpa guy to savior...prior to villain of course.

[stonemonkey]

What is Max up to now?

He's saaid the chance of there not being a British GP next year is very small and if Donningtons not ready then it's highly probable that it'll be at Silverstone.

Even if he's discussed this with Bernie it should only be Bernie making any statement on it as he's the one who decides and has already said there will be no going back to Silverstone, and if it hasn't been discussed then Max shouldn't be making any such statement at all.

[pilotfriend]

"he needs to be put down like a humping dog"

I knew Max liked naughty nazi camp commandants but had no idea he was into this as well!

[GWADanny]

why is max in charge of all this, he is retarded. Now they are going to sue the FOTA, some one needs to slap max, but then he will probabily be turned on

[myownalias]

I now believe that Max does need to be replaced, not for proposing the budget cap but for not standing his ground; he is constantly moving the deadline and has lost all credibility. The way things are going, we'll still be discussing this issue come next year and if FOTA still don't get their own way, they'll be off and the potential new teams would have lost interest leaving F1 with only Williams, Force India, USGPE, Campos and Manor. Just give into FOTA's latest compromise and let's get on with racing as ultimately that is what's going to happen as I never actually see Max standing his ground and moving forward with his plans.

[Gaz]

I now believe that Max does need to be replaced, not for proposing the budget cap but for not standing his ground; he is constantly moving the deadline and has lost all credibility. The way things are going, we'll still be discussing this issue come next year and if FOTA still don't get their own way, they'll be off and the potential new teams would have lost interest leaving F1 with only Williams, Force India, USGPE, Campos and Manor. Just give into FOTA's latest compromise and let's get on with racing as ultimately that is what's going to happen as I never actually see Max standing his ground and moving forward with his plans.

The budget cap was never the problem the teams agreed they needed to cut costs but the way to go about it is not budget cap which can't be enforced.

What gives Max the RIGHT to make up the rules like he does, put up superlicence fee's without any real justification moan about the teams spending too much but then introduce KERS

The ONLY good thing Max Mosley has ever done is to improve safety.

[myownalias]

I now believe that Max does need to be replaced, not for proposing the budget cap but for not standing his ground; he is constantly moving the deadline and has lost all credibility. The way things are going, we'll still be discussing this issue come next year and if FOTA still don't get their own way, they'll be off and the potential new teams would have lost interest leaving F1 with only Williams, Force India, USGPE, Campos and Manor. Just give into FOTA's latest compromise and let's get on with racing as ultimately that is what's going to happen as I never actually see Max standing his ground and moving forward with his plans.

The budget cap was never the problem the teams agreed they needed to cut costs but the way to go about it is not budget cap which can't be enforced.

What gives Max the RIGHT to make up the rules like he does, put up superlicence fee's without any real justification moan about the teams spending too much but then introduce KERS

The ONLY good thing Max Mosley has ever done is to improve safety.

Even FOTA agreed to a budget cap of €100m for 2010 with a step down to €45m from 2011 onwards. I believe the big stumbling block in the end is FOTA not having the power to rule over F1 governance. FOTA want more power; Max doesn't want to relinquish his power. The superlicence thing was complete BS, that was probably to fund his Nazi fetish! And yes the KERS system was a massive waste of money so in that respect he is a hypocrite. But both sides have been childish is this situation, I still doubt that a FOTA championship will be up and running in nine months time. I believe that announcing a FOTA championship is just to put the pressure back on the FIA and it's worked!

[Gaz]

I now believe that Max does need to be replaced, not for proposing the budget cap but for not standing his ground; he is constantly moving the deadline and has lost all credibility. The way things are going, we'll still be discussing this issue come next year and if FOTA still don't get their own way, they'll be off and the potential new teams would have lost interest leaving F1 with only Williams, Force India, USGPE, Campos and Manor. Just give into FOTA's latest compromise and let's get on with racing as ultimately that is what's going to happen as I never actually see Max standing his ground and moving forward with his plans.

The budget cap was never the problem the teams agreed they needed to cut costs but the way to go about it is not budget cap which can't be enforced.

What gives Max the RIGHT to make up the rules like he does, put up superlicence fee's without any real justification moan about the teams spending too much but then introduce KERS

The ONLY good thing Max Mosley has ever done is to improve safety.

Even FOTA agreed to a budget cap of €100m for 2010 with a step down to €45m from 2011 onwards. I believe the big stumbling block in the end is FOTA not having the power to rule over F1 governance. FOTA want more power; Max doesn't want to relinquish his power. The superlicence thing was complete BS, that was probably to fund his Nazi fetish! And yes the KERS system was a massive waste of money so in that respect he is a hypocrite. But both sides have been childish is this situation, I still doubt that a FOTA championship will be up and running in nine months time. I believe that announcing a FOTA championship is just to put the pressure back on the FIA and it's worked!

Fota suggested it but Max Turned it down i belive.

It wouldn't of been enforcable in anycase.