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[Gaz]

How do I reach these kids?

[myownalias]

Why do they limit it to 26? Can't we handle say 30 in a race, or if we can't, just eliminate some in Q1 or some pre Q method like in the past?

Back in the day; there were more than 13 teams and the drivers that didn't qualify in the top 26 had to sit out the race because there were only 26 grid markings. I assume this is the reason why it's limited to 13 teams so drivers/teams don't have to sit out races after making the effort to haul everything to the race event for nothing!

[Gaz]

fact of the matter is Max has come up with alot of stupid ideas which without fota would of come in to play.

If you can't accept that then sorry but its fact.

[madbrad]

Why do they limit it to 26? Can't we handle say 30 in a race, or if we can't, just eliminate some in Q1 or some pre Q method like in the past?

Back in the day; there were more than 13 teams and the drivers that didn't qualify in the top 26 had to sit out the race because there were only 26 grid markings. I assume this is the reason why it's limited to 13 teams so drivers/teams don't have to sit out races after making the effort to haul everything to the race event for nothing!

Yeah if I didn't know they had pre Q why would I have said pre Q method like in the past?
And I'm asking why the race limit is 26, not why they don't have more than 26 cars in the series while only letting 26 in the race.

[racechick]

You cant ditch the politics as long as max remains head of the FIA.

So Max leaves at the end of this year as his contract expires; someone else will come in and who's to say that they won't be any worse? Don't forget that Max can't unilaterally make decisions on his own; he needs the backing of the FIA council so he clearly isn't the only one to like the budget cap idea. In the here and now; everyone hates Mosley but if things worked out for the best and racing was closer and more exciting to watch for the spectator; everyone will be calling him a visionary and the saviour of F1. People are very fickle changing their opinion every five minutes. Probably if I was to find F1 right now; I wouldn't watch but I found F1 in the early 90s when Mansell won the WDC and racing was exciting and unpredictable! It's a combination of conflicting powers, FOM, FIA and FOTA that will ruin F1!

Yes hopefully Max will leave and someone else less self interested than mosely will take over. I know he cant make unilateral decisions but he buys votes. he's corrupt. its how he survived the umpalumpa scandal.

[Gaz]

You cant ditch the politics as long as max remains head of the FIA.

So Max leaves at the end of this year as his contract expires; someone else will come in and who's to say that they won't be any worse? Don't forget that Max can't unilaterally make decisions on his own; he needs the backing of the FIA council so he clearly isn't the only one to like the budget cap idea. In the here and now; everyone hates Mosley but if things worked out for the best and racing was closer and more exciting to watch for the spectator; everyone will be calling him a visionary and the saviour of F1. People are very fickle changing their opinion every five minutes. Probably if I was to find F1 right now; I wouldn't watch but I found F1 in the early 90s when Mansell won the WDC and racing was exciting and unpredictable! It's a combination of conflicting powers, FOM, FIA and FOTA that will ruin F1!

Yes hopefully Max will leave and someone else less self interested than mosely will take over. I know he cant make unilateral decisions but he buys votes. he's corrupt. its how he survived the umpalumpa scandal.

Ron Dennis!

[racechick]

You cant ditch the politics as long as max remains head of the FIA.

So Max leaves at the end of this year as his contract expires; someone else will come in and who's to say that they won't be any worse? Don't forget that Max can't unilaterally make decisions on his own; he needs the backing of the FIA council so he clearly isn't the only one to like the budget cap idea. In the here and now; everyone hates Mosley but if things worked out for the best and racing was closer and more exciting to watch for the spectator; everyone will be calling him a visionary and the saviour of F1. People are very fickle changing their opinion every five minutes. Probably if I was to find F1 right now; I wouldn't watch but I found F1 in the early 90s when Mansell won the WDC and racing was exciting and unpredictable! It's a combination of conflicting powers, FOM, FIA and FOTA that will ruin F1!

Yes hopefully Max will leave and someone else less self interested than mosely will take over. I know he cant make unilateral decisions but he buys votes. he's corrupt. its how he survived the umpalumpa scandal.

Ron Dennis!

To take over? Or exposing max? If its the latter he's gone right up in my estimation

[EwanM]

How do I reach these kids?

That's the one

[myownalias]

I know he cant make unilateral decisions but he buys votes. he's corrupt. its how he survived the umpalumpa scandal.

Wow that's a sweeping statement; where's the evidence that he is corrupt or buys votes? if FIA members can be bought; surely the whole body is corrupt; that can't be solely blamed on Max Mosley, and what he does in his personal life is his own business, that has no relation to his FIA duties!

[Jensonb]

Ron Dennis!

I see what you did thar. Irony is funny

[racechick]

I know he cant make unilateral decisions but he buys votes. he's corrupt. its how he survived the umpalumpa scandal.

Wow that's a sweeping statement; where's the evidence that he is corrupt or buys votes? if FIA members can be bought; surely the whole body is corrupt; that can't be solely blamed on Max Mosley, and what he does in his personal life is his own business, that has no relation to his FIA duties!

ARRRGGH! Ive just answered this and lost it!! here goes agen!

He did buy votes, it was well documenterd. An African guy I believe(his name anyone??) Mosely does things like providing money for racing to be developed in countries in retun for favours. Did you know that countries steeped in motor racing history such as America, Germany, USA, GB etc only get one vote per country and countries with no motor racing at all get the same? Also, when that vote took place Mosely had it set up so that all those who absteined were counted as votes in his favour.
Yes his personal life is his own but when it brings F1 in to disrepute to such an extent that GP hosting countries wil not allow him to attend the GP, then maybe he should reconsider his position. At the very least he should realise he is not fit to judge what does and what does not constitute bringing the sport into disrepute.

[darwin dali]

It's about the pits - not enough pit stalls available for more than 26 cars (in Monaco it's even fewer, I believe 22).

[madbrad]

It's about the pits - not enough pit stalls available for more than 26 cars (in Monaco it's even fewer, I believe 22).

First practical answer.
Now, other regs have been made or changed so the track had to make alterations so theoretically what's to stop them just saying hey now it's 28 and the tracks have to comply? Other series have way more pit spots(albeit without garages) and aren't some garages bigger than others just to spoil the big points haul teams? Just theory, just saying, not saying it can or shold be done.

[darwin dali]

It's about the pits - not enough pit stalls available for more than 26 cars (in Monaco it's even fewer, I believe 22).

First practical answer.
Now, other regs have been made or changed so the track had to make alterations so theoretically what's to stop them just saying hey now it's 28 and the tracks have to comply? Other series have way more pit spots(albeit without garages) and aren't some garages bigger than others just to spoil the big points haul teams? Just theory, just saying, not saying it can or shold be done.

Many tracks are already struggling financially as it is, so that's one reason why there won't be more pits. Monaco's pit lane is very crammed already and given the circumstances, there's simply no space to add more pits. Yes, the bigger (better) teams have way bigger garages and space for their huge hospitality centers - life's unfair, suck it up!

[cap-dude]

I know he cant make unilateral decisions but he buys votes. he's corrupt. its how he survived the umpalumpa scandal.

Wow that's a sweeping statement; where's the evidence that he is corrupt or buys votes? if FIA members can be bought; surely the whole body is corrupt; that can't be solely blamed on Max Mosley, and what he does in his personal life is his own business, that has no relation to his FIA duties!

ARRRGGH! Ive just answered this and lost it!! here goes agen!

He did buy votes, it was well documenterd. An African guy I believe(his name anyone??) Mosely does things like providing money for racing to be developed in countries in retun for favours. Did you know that countries steeped in motor racing history such as America, Germany, USA, GB etc only get one vote per country and countries with no motor racing at all get the same? Also, when that vote took place Mosely had it set up so that all those who absteined were counted as votes in his favour.
Yes his personal life is his own but when it brings F1 in to disrepute to such an extent that GP hosting countries wil not allow him to attend the GP, then maybe he should reconsider his position. At the very least he should realise he is not fit to judge what does and what does not constitute bringing the sport into disrepute.

I seem to remember this as well. It was around time we were all praying Max would get voted out after the umpalumpa scandal. But apparently this African guy had about 20% (maybe more) of the votes.

Max is quite simply put, power hungry, stubborn and blind.