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By FerrariFan63
#88683
I've heard that the McLaren car is illegal before they add the engine. Way below minimum weight. Cheating McLaren b'stards.

Well that must make every F1 team in history cheaters too. :D


yeah she forgot the ballast in her pathetic statement... no F1 car is the exact required weight once the engine is in! Get it right geez :hehe:


That whooshing sound you heard was the entire discussion going way over your head.
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By bud
#88684
ahhh pathetic and again typical of you :rolleyes:


Have you ever heard of the concept of addressing the discussion at hand instead of just firing off random insults?

Discussion at hand funny you should mention that seeing as the discussion is about Ferrari and NOT McLaren! Where in lies my comment about how pathetic you are! I've said it before your only defence of anything that puts ferrari in a bad light is to turn it around on McLaren! Pathetic

Oh and your second post you insult me? Do you have double standards or what?!?!? Haha
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By FerrariFan63
#88689
ahhh pathetic and again typical of you :rolleyes:


Have you ever heard of the concept of addressing the discussion at hand instead of just firing off random insults?

Discussion at hand funny you should mention that seeing as the discussion is about Ferrari and NOT McLaren! Where in lies my comment about how pathetic you are! I've said it before your only defence of anything that puts ferrari in a bad light is to turn it around on McLaren! Pathetic


OK, since you clearly weren't able to understand that comment, I'll try to explain it to you in really simple words. However, from past experience, you generally aren't able to understand anything but the most simple and obvious discussion, so I don't have much hope that you will understand this.

First: In this thread people claimed that the Ferrari is "illegal" and therefore that Ferrari is cheating.

I pointed out that the rules do not insist that cars are legal during testing. And so therefore, it cannot be said that Ferrari is cheating. I also pointed out that the Torro Rosso car, being an "interim" car, is also not "legal", but that nobody was getting their knickers in a twist about that.

I then used sarcasm to show how ridiculous the claims of Ferrari "cheating" by not being legal by using the example of McLaren not being legal, of not meeting the minimum weight regulations, before you put the engine in. The point behind this statement, one of the ones that went way over your head, is that there is no legal nor moral expectation that cars are "legal" during the time before they go onto the track to compete. But this is what just went whoosh way over your head, with you completely failing to understand what the point was.

I believe that the vast majority of people on this forum will understand exactly what I wrote, and how it was relevant to the conversation. I'm sorry but I cannot keep my posts simple and straightforward enough so that you can understand them as it would require them to be dumbed down to an excessive degree.

Edit: I've thought of a way of explaining it that you might understand. Consider it to be a simile. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Simile). Consider that what I've said is "Saying that the Ferrari is 'cheating' by running a car during testing that doesn't meet the regulations is like saying that McLaren is cheating because their car is too light before they put the engine in." Can you understand that?

Oh and your second post you insult me? Do you have double standards or what?!?!? Haha


Except that the entire point I was making (which as usual went way above your head) was that you only insulted me, and contributed absolutely nothing to the thread. Here I've first explained why your post shows a fundamental lack of understanding of what has been said, then made the "whoosh" statement.
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By bud
#88690
ahhh Ferrarifan youre not even worth the time. youre monotone and boring so how can one even tell when youre being sarcastic? :hehe:

and i really really really get annoyed at youre little pathetic stabs at me! oooooooh im sooo god damn upset what ever shall i do?

oh what a dilema :confused::confused::confused:
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By FerrariFan63
#88691
ahhh Ferrarifan youre not even worth the time. youre monotone and boring so how can one even tell when youre being sarcastic? :hehe:

and i really really really get annoyed at youre little pathetic stabs at me! oooooooh im sooo god damn upset what ever shall i do?


How about trying to undestand what's being said in the discussion and addressing it? That's generally what people do on forums.
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By bud
#88692
ahhh Ferrarifan youre not even worth the time. youre monotone and boring so how can one even tell when youre being sarcastic? :hehe:

and i really really really get annoyed at youre little pathetic stabs at me! oooooooh im sooo god damn upset what ever shall i do?


How about trying to undestand what's being said in the discussion and addressing it? That's generally what people do on forums.



sarcasm missed

Ferrarifan - Fail
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By bud
#88693
seeing as the topic is going over my head ill repost this picture just to be sure im on the right track.....
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Everyones take on the 09 regs regarding the exhaust outlet.
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By FerrariFan63
#88694
seeing as the topic is going over my head ill repost this picture just to be sure im on the right track.....
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Everyones take on the 09 regs regarding the exhaust outlet.


Yes, and the consequences of these photographs are ....... what? Yes, you can post a photo, but can you tell us what the consequences of this evidence is?
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By bud
#88695
:yawn: the consequences for Ferrari are they will be on the back foot having to redevelop their exhaust housing. I have ALREADY stated this in previous posts if you bothered to read :thumbup:
By Gaz
#88696
some stupid comments in this thread "torro rosso isn't legal" - what?

I think Ferrari are really going to have to get their act together tho, bad KERS dodgy front wing and ballast isssues, and the exhaust is illigal.

not good
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By FerrariFan63
#88700
some stupid comments in this thread "torro rosso isn't legal" - what?


This was in the context of discussing the "illegality" of the Ferrari during pre-season testing. There is no requirement to test using legal cars during pre-season testing. But some people seem to be getting all hot and bothered about the Ferrari car not yet being to spec. Pointing out that an interim Torro Rosso isn't legal either emphasises that point. And, yes, I've noticed that throwing cold water on everyone's Ferrari bashing is getting peoples' backs up :hehe:

As for Ferrari getting its act together, we won't know how different teams' development strategies will work out until the first qualifying and race. But I note that members of various teams seem to be suggesting that it will be the same two teams at the top. Showing that those who understand F1 engineering are more confident that Ferrari will be there when it matters than random people on the internet.
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By FerrariFan63
#88701
:yawn: the consequences for Ferrari are they will be on the back foot having to redevelop their exhaust housing. I have ALREADY stated this in previous posts if you bothered to read :thumbup:


Well then, why are you following up my threads where I discuss peoples seeming outrage that Ferrari are running an "illegal" car in testing, when, as I've pointed out, there is no requirement to run a legal car in testing. Given that you typically don't actually discuss the topic when you follow up, but just issue gratuitous insults, how is anyone supposed to know what your contribution to the argument is, or what you're thinking.

Anyway, since you have finally posted something relevant in response to one of my posts, I'll give you a measured response. You seem to believe that Ferrari haven't noticed that there's a claimed problem with the exhausts and are now slapping their heads saying "oh what fools we are, we've put on the wrong exhaust, back to the drawing board". Anyone with even a cursory knowledge of formula one engineering will realise that their strategy is most likely more sophisticated than that, as they are a top flight engineering department.

As a possible explanation of what's going on, this is possible:

Ferrari believe that they will be developing an exhaust system that directs the gasses in a particular way.

They currently don't have the system ready to install, for whatever reason. So they need an exhaust system that best mimics the behaviour of their eventual exhaust system for full car testing.

The best solution is the current one, which is being used now, and will be replaced as planned by the final configuration which is not yet ready to go on to the car.

I.e. it is possible that the current system is intended to give them the best of both worlds, to allow them longer to develop their proper race exhaust for longer, while still being able to properly test other parts of the car which are effected by the routing of exhaust gasses.


The problem with this thread is that there are too many people without the knowledge and/or imagination to consider Ferrari's possible reasons for what they are doing, so they assume that they aren't any. I'm not saying that the above is the true reason. What I am saying is that it is entirely possible that there are sensible reasons for what they are doing. Whether they are "lost" or are up to something "clever" will only become clear over time.
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By bud
#88703
ooooh nice hinting there yet again, youre a conniving little sod arent ya! :hehe:
so Ferrarifan are you saying the tech head team members at he various teams eg Norbert Haug,Pascal Vasselon have no knowledge about F1 because they said Ferrari's exhaust is illegal?

why is it every other team thus fars launch car has met the 09 regulations? what benefit does it do for Ferrari to show a car to the world that is not finished yet?

yeh youre explanation sounds alright yet you forget these cars werent just penned over night could it be that
a. Ferrari just got it wrong
or
b. are trying to push the regulations to the limit or over the limit like they did with their moveable floor or flexible wings?

seems you cant seem to fathom a or b. :sheep:
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By Gaz
#88705
some stupid comments in this thread "torro rosso isn't legal" - what?


This was in the context of discussing the "illegality" of the Ferrari during pre-season testing. There is no requirement to test using legal cars during pre-season testing. But some people seem to be getting all hot and bothered about the Ferrari car not yet being to spec. Pointing out that an interim Torro Rosso isn't legal either emphasises that point. And, yes, I've noticed that throwing cold water on everyone's Ferrari bashing is getting peoples' backs up :hehe:

As for Ferrari getting its act together, we won't know how different teams' development strategies will work out until the first qualifying and race. But I note that members of various teams seem to be suggesting that it will be the same two teams at the top. Showing that those who understand F1 engineering are more confident that Ferrari will be there when it matters than random people on the internet.


Yeh but Torro rosso aren't trying to meet the new regulations with that car, Ferrari are and have failed at it, your not telling me they would design illigal exhausts? no its an oversite and a bad one that will set them back.

I expect they will get it sorted but i wouldn't be dissapointed if they were at the back half of the field with Mclaren 1-2 for the first few races. :thumbup:

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