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[McLaren Fan]

Honestly, I wouldn't see a problem with teams running their KERS systems in other race categories and, in fact, would encourage it for the sake of its development. The only purpose of the testing ban is to cut costs in Formula 1, right? Well, other teams buying their KERS units would enhance testing, allowing them to create good, reliable systems much quicker and, crucially, would generate extra income that some of the teams need to stay in the sport.

McLaren-Mercedes should put the unit in DTM. Williams should put theirs in Formula 2. Honda should put theirs into the IRL. Toyota/Honda should put systems in to Formula Nippon, too.

I like the idea in theory and perhaps FOTA could discuss it. Currently, though, there is a testing ban in place and it would be presumptuous to exploit a loophole in the rules on the grounds that it's about cost-saving.

[7UpJordan]

Seriously Ferrari must be totally duck with KERS - its the 1989 Semi-Automatic Gearbox all over again!

Does that mean it'll break down just as much as that Semi-automatic gearbox did?

[EwanM]

Seriously Ferrari must be totally duck with KERS - its the 1989 Semi-Automatic Gearbox all over again!

Does that mean it'll break down just as much as that Semi-automatic gearbox did?

Lets hope so

[texasmr2]

Finally someone that understands this thread was just another opp by a disgruntled McLaren fan, kudos !

bud you still have the floor when needed or I can lock it due to, fill in the blanks, what say you?

ahh tex youre such a child its amazing youre a mod, oh didnt you quit and do us all a favour? what happened with that?

I decided that I would miss you too much .

[scotty]

Erm, wtf? What is wrong with that? Next you'll be saying McLaren's partnership with Mercedes-Benz is out of order too...

bypassing a testing agreement by track testing a system with another car make is fine by you ?
Anyways as reported Ferrari are denying it's true, let's hope so!

Well, if you are referring to the testing ban, that article says it's not in place yet...

in-season test ban, to take effect from the Australian Grand Prix in March.

Either way, of course Ferrari would deny this sort of thing, it is really surprising they are so far behind as well. Maybe we're getting the return of the old style (ie pre Schumacher) Ferrari team!

[texasmr2]

This could also be just another ploy by the F1 Gods?

[bud]

Erm, wtf? What is wrong with that? Next you'll be saying McLaren's partnership with Mercedes-Benz is out of order too...

bypassing a testing agreement by track testing a system with another car make is fine by you ?
Anyways as reported Ferrari are denying it's true, let's hope so!

Well, if you are referring to the testing ban, that article says it's not in place yet...

and as already pointed out in the article i posted - refers to the March testing ban where Ferrari will use Peugeot to race test kers during the agreed ban.

but ill say again "Anyways as reported Ferrari are denying it's true, let's hope so!"

[scotty]

and as already pointed out in the article i posted - refers to the March testing ban where Ferrari will use Peugeot to race test kers during the agreed ban.

Not literally, it could easily be read that Peugeot will help them with testing before the March deadline which is entirely plausible... but then of course you would read it like you did. Anyway Ferrari getting Peugeot to help them will give kinda misleading data because obviously the system will work differently on an LMP1 car to an F1 car, and although they can make calculations to compensate for the differences, there is no substitute for actually testing it yourself.

[bud]

and as already pointed out in the article i posted - refers to the March testing ban where Ferrari will use Peugeot to race test kers during the agreed ban.

Not literally, it could easily be read that Peugeot will help them with testing before the March deadline which is entirely plausible... but then of course you would read it like you did. Anyway Ferrari getting Peugeot to help them will give kinda misleading data because obviously the system will work differently on an LMP1 car to an F1 car, and although they can make calculations to compensate for the differences, there is no substitute for actually testing it yourself.

entirely plausable? if theres nothing wrong with testing it before March then why not test it themselves on their own track? oh because theres a testing limit of the KMS allowed whooops!

but hey LMP1 car data would be more beneficial than a computer sim afterall we are talking about a device that recovers kinetic energy the same laws of physics apply wont be too hard to re calibrate to F1

[Gaz]

and as already pointed out in the article i posted - refers to the March testing ban where Ferrari will use Peugeot to race test kers during the agreed ban.

Not literally, it could easily be read that Peugeot will help them with testing before the March deadline which is entirely plausible... but then of course you would read it like you did. Anyway Ferrari getting Peugeot to help them will give kinda misleading data because obviously the system will work differently on an LMP1 car to an F1 car, and although they can make calculations to compensate for the differences, there is no substitute for actually testing it yourself.

entirely plausable? if theres nothing wrong with testing it before March then why not test it themselves on their own track? oh because theres a testing limit of the KMS allowed whooops!

but hey LMP1 car data would be more beneficial than a computer sim afterall we are talking about a device that recovers kinetic energy the same laws of physics apply wont be too hard to re calibrate to F1

Everyone would be going mental if Mclaren talked ot say Audi for KERS testing before march but because its Ferrari its ok.

[Denthúl]

and as already pointed out in the article i posted - refers to the March testing ban where Ferrari will use Peugeot to race test kers during the agreed ban.

Not literally, it could easily be read that Peugeot will help them with testing before the March deadline which is entirely plausible... but then of course you would read it like you did. Anyway Ferrari getting Peugeot to help them will give kinda misleading data because obviously the system will work differently on an LMP1 car to an F1 car, and although they can make calculations to compensate for the differences, there is no substitute for actually testing it yourself.

entirely plausable? if theres nothing wrong with testing it before March then why not test it themselves on their own track? oh because theres a testing limit of the KMS allowed whooops!

but hey LMP1 car data would be more beneficial than a computer sim afterall we are talking about a device that recovers kinetic energy the same laws of physics apply wont be too hard to re calibrate to F1

Everyone would be going mental if Mclaren talked ot say Audi for KERS testing before march but because its Ferrari its ok.

There'd be the same level of "outrage". A couple of people here and there. Why? Because, honestly, anybody who understands the fact that KERS needs to work and be a good solution in order for teams to continue developing it will realise that steps like that could become necessary. If your KERS unit is always failing because you can't test it enough to develop one that has better reliability, then you're probably going to give it up pretty easily.

[scotty]

entirely plausable? if theres nothing wrong with testing it before March then why not test it themselves on their own track? oh because theres a testing limit of the KMS allowed whooops!

Yeah i know about the KM limit (thanks for the patronising and cynical touch there though), but you were on about testing during the season after the March deadline. Ferrari probably are testing it themselves too (who knows how much testing they sneak in at Fiorano ) but as it says, Peugeot are helping them 'accelerate' their development, not doing it all for them.

but hey LMP1 car data would be more beneficial than a computer sim afterall we are talking about a device that recovers kinetic energy the same laws of physics apply wont be too hard to re calibrate to F1

Yeah, i would obviously agree that track data is better than simulator data - there are simply too many minute real life factors that the simulators cannot take into account compared to when you're actually racing - but at the same time i wouldn't say that teams could simply recalibrate the data from what is really another machine entirely, and immediately gain data that is practically applicable regardless of what it looks like on paper.

Everyone would be going mental if Mclaren talked ot say Audi for KERS testing before march but because its Ferrari its ok.

I'd probably have a similar reaction, you lot are both as bad as each other!

[bud]

[KyrosV]

Big deal.

The FIA brought in the use of KERS to Aid road car productions so its really stupid that there is a limit on testing for the device to be used in. If I was a team manager and wanted to get tome testing down then thats exactly what I would do, or build a sports prototype car for non racing purposes to do a couple of laps around a test track or tie in with a sports production car team to help and share the benifits.

...of Course Mclaren are taking the other route of getting there new bi s Force India to get some extra milage.

[darwin dali]

Big deal.

The FIA brought in the use of KERS to Aid road car productions so its really stupid that there is a limit on testing for the device to be used in. If I was a team manager and wanted to get tome testing down then thats exactly what I would do, or build a sports prototype car for non racing purposes to do a couple of laps around a test track or tie in with a sports production car team to help and share the benifits.

...of Course Mclaren are taking the other route of getting there new bi s Force India to get some extra milage.

A bit harsh