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[FerrariFan63]

Nobody wanted to sponsor them. As a matter of fact, it's a wonder the team struggled on for as long as it did without Gauloises. These things happen from time to time in business. It's not a sign of Prost being a bad businessman or manager.

It doesn't prove it, but it's not exactly a good sign. Now, where is the evidence of Prost being a good businessman or manager?

[texasmr2]

Now, where is the evidence of Prost being a good businessman or manager?

I'm not going to bother with looking up info that most likely is not available but Prost starting and running his own F1 would be a great place to start wouldn't you think? Anyway we are once AGAIN getting of the topic at hand wouldn't you agree?

[McLaren Fan]

Nobody wanted to sponsor them. As a matter of fact, it's a wonder the team struggled on for as long as it did without Gauloises. These things happen from time to time in business. It's not a sign of Prost being a bad businessman or manager.

It doesn't prove it, but it's not exactly a good sign. Now, where is the evidence of Prost being a good businessman or manager?

Hang on a minute. You just criticised Prost for being a poor manager, but have now backtracked on this, and then tried to turn the tables on me again. Nice try.

To answer your question, however, I'd say Prost made a pretty good coup in getting an exclusive deal for Peugeot engines from 1998 onwards and signing Trulli (okay, hardly the next Ayrton Senna, but a solid performer).

[FerrariFan63]

Now, where is the evidence of Prost being a good businessman or manager?

I'm not going to bother with looking up info that most likely is not available but Prost starting and running his own F1 would be a great place to start wouldn't you think? Anyway we are once AGAIN getting of the topic at hand wouldn't you agree?

If he had started and run the F1 team, and it grew, and he sold it as a going concern, that would be good evidence. But the team died. So I don't think that helps. Signing Trulli was a good step, but signing new, unproven, drivers is not exactly difficult. Minardi had both Trulli and Alonso.

[McLaren Fan]

So the Peugeot engines were no good, then?

[FerrariFan63]

So the Peugeot engines were no good, then?

Obtaining an engine deal is not unusual in F1. Looking at his F1 foray as a whole, it was a failure. The team died. Ferrari blossomed under Todts leadership. There is no comparison.

[McLaren Fan]

So the Peugeot engines were no good, then?

Obtaining an engine deal is not unusual in F1. Looking at his F1 foray as a whole, it was a failure. The team died. Ferrari blossomed under Todts leadership. There is no comparison.

Getting a good engine deal is tough to come by. Prost's team clearly failed, but there are a number of reasons for that. You can't compare Todt's leadership at Ferrari to Prost's leadership of his eponymously-named team. di Montezemolo was prepared to do whatever it took to bring success back to Ferrari; no expense was spared. It was, therefore, no very tricky for he, Todt and Schumacher to hire a dream team of people, and for Brawn and Byrne to design and develop cars capable of winning races and championships. Prost had to rely on his money to found the team and being able to attract sponsors to keep the team going. There's a big difference, I'm afraid. You'll never convince me that Todt should be the President of the FIA, especially not by using this poor example.

[bud]

id like to see Todt create and run successfully his own F1 team before you go and criticize Prost as comparison

[FerrariFan63]

id like to see Todt create and run successfully his own F1 team before you go and criticize Prost as comparison

Prost didn't create his team. He took Ligier which had run successfully for decades, renamed it after himself, and killed it off. You can't compare that to someone who took a team that was there or thereabouts, and took it through a hugely successful period. Todt has also managed teams to success in Rally, Hillclimb, and Le Mans. There's utterly no comparison between Todt and Prost, Todt is a whole football team's worth of head and shoulders above Prost.

[texasmr2]

id like to see Todt create and run successfully his own F1 team before you go and criticize Prost as comparison

Prost didn't create his team. He took Ligier which had run successfully for decades, renamed it after himself, and killed it off. You can't compare that to someone who took a team that was there or thereabouts, and took it through a hugely successful period. Todt has also managed teams to success in Rally, Hillclimb, and Le Mans. There's utterly no comparison between Todt and Prost, Todt is a whole football team's worth of head and shoulders above Prost.

Ignorance is bliss isn't it?

[McLaren Fan]

To be honest, I wouldn't give a toss if Todt had a formula to convert lead into gold, he's a Ferrari man, so isn't right for the job.

I move that Ron Dennis should be President of the FIA.

[texasmr2]

I move that Ron Dennis should be President of the FIA.

Your not a very good comedian but that is one heck of a punchline!!

[FerrariFan63]

To be honest, I wouldn't give a toss if Todt had a formula to convert lead into gold, he's a Ferrari man, so isn't right for the job.

I move that Ron Dennis should be President of the FIA.

In other words, you have no problem with someone with strong team ties becoming head of the FIA, you just want it to be "your" man.

Ron Dennis could never become head of the FIA. For one thing, nobody would be able to understand a word of anything he said.

[McLaren Fan]

To be honest, I wouldn't give a toss if Todt had a formula to convert lead into gold, he's a Ferrari man, so isn't right for the job.

I move that Ron Dennis should be President of the FIA.

In other words, you have no problem with someone with strong team ties becoming head of the FIA, you just want it to be "your" man.

Ron Dennis could never become head of the FIA. For one thing, nobody would be able to understand a word of anything he said.

Well, don't you think Ron Dennis would make a good President? After all, he's got the credentials.

[scotty]

There's utterly no comparison between Todt and Prost, Todt is a whole football team's worth of head and shoulders above Prost.

So we've got the former Ferrari F1 boss vs. a 4 time world champion... What is wrong with that matchup?