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[What's Burning?]

Unless you've lived a part of your life under an oppressive regime, and have seen injustice done first hand to friends and family, you'll not be able to understand that the word terrorism is and will always be predicated by a point of view.

I lived in Cuba for the early part of my life, and had a relative jailed for killing a pig that belonged to the state. This pig was being raised and fed and cared for by the farmer on land that he'd owned previous to the revolution but the pig didn't belong to him according to the country's law. So that farmer was jailed for committing a crime against the state. That's how oppression works guys.

[geetface9]

Unless you've lived a part of your life under an oppressive regime, and have seen injustice done first hand to friends and family, you'll not be able to understand that the word terrorism is and will always be predicated by a point of view.

I lived in Cuba for the early part of my life, and had a relative jailed for killing a pig that belonged to the state. This pig was being raised and fed and cared for by the farmer on land that he'd owned previous to the revolution but the pig didn't belong to him according to the country's law. So that farmer was jailed for committing a crime against the state. That's how oppression works guys.

sh1tty!

[myownalias]

Bottom line is Bernie Ecclestone's greed; this event should not have taken place; the teams also have to accept some of the blame, they should have used their power as competitors (no teams, no race) to protect their personnel, clearly team personnel will come under attack, that has already been proven, I don't believe for one moment it was a random attack on Force India personnel, especially after the threats from the 'freedom fighters' in the last couple of days, as I said in another thread when threats are made against innocents, they crossed the line to become terrorists.

[bud]

Bottom line is Bernie Ecclestone's greed; this event should not have taken place; the teams also have to accept some of the blame, they should have used their power as competitors (no teams, no race) to protect their personnel, clearly team personnel will come under attack, that has already been proven, I don't believe for one moment it was a random attack on Force India personnel, especially after the threats from the 'freedom fighters' in the last couple of days, as I said in another thread when threats are made against innocents, they crossed the line to become terrorists.

They were in an unmarked car I don't think they would have known they were F1 personnel. By the account of things they drove into the city and came across a protester vs police clash, tear gas fired by police also got into the vehicle too apparently.

[myownalias]

Bottom line is Bernie Ecclestone's greed; this event should not have taken place; the teams also have to accept some of the blame, they should have used their power as competitors (no teams, no race) to protect their personnel, clearly team personnel will come under attack, that has already been proven, I don't believe for one moment it was a random attack on Force India personnel, especially after the threats from the 'freedom fighters' in the last couple of days, as I said in another thread when threats are made against innocents, they crossed the line to become terrorists.

They were in an unmarked car I don't think they would have known they were F1 personnel. By the account of things they drove into the city and came across a protester vs police clash, tear gas fired by police also got into the vehicle too apparently.

That may be true but at the same time it wouldn't be hard to spot F1 team personnnel, they could have be seen getting into that car and also they are likely to all be wearing team clothes. Of course, I am speculating about that, even with tight security, it'll still be hard to protect team personnel, even within the circuit confines, short of not letting anyone into the circuit!

[The Ram]

If you drive through a violent protest in ANY country you WILL put yourself in danger.

[What's Burning?]

Not a peep about anything having to do with the strife at f1.com. Way to bury your head in the sand. I guess if they don't even mention it, it's not really happening.

[andrew]

To be fair, it's an F1 site not a political site. Perhaps they think it best not to get involved with passing any comment on the subject and end up hacking off the crowd that pay the bill for the GP?

[LewEngBridewell]

Bloody hell, this convo is taking place in three separate threads! Crazy times.

[What's Burning?]

To be fair, it's an F1 site not a political site. Perhaps they think it best not to get involved with passing any comment on the subject and end up hacking off the crowd that pay the bill for the GP?

There is no "to be fair here" there should never have been a GP rescheduled in Bahrain. They knew the consequences, they knew the people would protest, they made the decision to move forward with it because of the mounds of cash on the table. End of story. So yeah, if F1 personnel is requesting to leave, and F1 drivers are voicing their concerns over it and THEIR safety, then it's nothing but F1 PR in damage control mode over this ridiculous situation the sport finds itself in.

I hope nothing happens, I hope the race goes on without issue and I hope there are no mass civilian deaths because of it. I just remembered this video below, it brought the attention of the world to South Africa and it was a catalyst in bringing reform to the country.

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[andrew]

To be fair, it's an F1 site not a political site. Perhaps they think it best not to get involved with passing any comment on the subject and end up hacking off the crowd that pay the bill for the GP?

There is no "to be fair here" there should never have been a GP rescheduled in Bahrain. They knew the consequences, they knew the people would protest, they made the decision to move forward with it because of the mounds of cash on the table. End of story. So yeah, if F1 personnel is requesting to leave, and F1 drivers are voicing their concerns over it and THEIR safety, then it's nothing but F1 PR in damage control mode over this ridiculous situation the sport finds itself in.

I hope nothing happens, I hope the race goes on without issue and I hope there are no mass civilian deaths because of it.

The teams all agreed to go. They could have easily have boycotted the race.

[myownalias]

I suspect the teams have all gone because of the financial penalties (and the possibility of losing points, if Ferrari went while Mercedes, McLaren and Red Bull didn't, for example). You have to remember that all the teams are under contract to race in a maximum of 20 races per season, if they didn't go; they'd be in breach of those contracts, so in a way; their hands are tied!

[What's Burning?]

I suspect the teams have all gone because of the financial penalties (and the possibility of losing points, if Ferrari went while Mercedes, McLaren and Red Bull didn't, for example). You have to remember that all the teams are under contract to race in a maximum of 20 races per season, if they didn't go; they'd be in breach of those contracts, so in a way; their hands are tied!

And there were plenty of veiled threats from the mushroom in chief last week in China that they were under contract to do so.

[andrew]

I can't see all the powers that be suing all of the teams for breach of contract. They could easily argue that there are mitigating circumstances i.e. they don't think it is safe to travel to Bahrain.

[PartsaS]

I can remember a Usa race where most teams went on ''strike'' and only ferrari (with some smaller teams) raced and won. If thats right, then they might could do the same here.