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[What's Burning?]

Hamilton wasn't able to continue, probably because his problems were
different; but...

You may have been in the bathroom at the time but the engineers told Nico that they were already aware of the loss of power when he reported it, it was the same issue on Lewis' car and they were investigating it.

[sagi58]

Hamilton wasn't able to continue, probably because his problems were
different; but...

You may have been in the bathroom at the time but the engineers told Nico that they were already aware of the loss of power when he reported it, it was the same issue on Lewis' car and they were investigating it.

Thanks!! I heard that; but, there is still room for the possibility that something else was amiss!

[What's Burning?]

Hamilton wasn't able to continue, probably because his problems were
different; but...

You may have been in the bathroom at the time but the engineers told Nico that they were already aware of the loss of power when he reported it, it was the same issue on Lewis' car and they were investigating it.

Thanks!! I heard that; but, there is still room for the possibility that something else was amiss!

No offense but I'd rather tryst the feedback of a Mercedes race engineer than your speculation. But what do I know, once in a while... Bianchi comes in 9th and you get the credit for the biggest long shot pick in the history of the pool game.

[overboost]

Top job in not only screwing Williams' best chance this season but Perez/Force Indias as well. *thumbs up*

Before anyone gets all emo about my comment, he's totally fine and just having precautionary checks.

Unfair considering it was Perez' fault...

You simply can't move like that in the braking zone, giving cars behind absolutely no reaction time. It was absolutely clear in the replay, you can actually pinpoint the exact moment that he changes his line and moves directly in front of where the Williams was about to be. Sadly this is one of a growing list of silly moves like this that Perez has been at fault for over the past couple of seasons.

I blame Raikkonen for not punching Perez in the face as promised after Monaco 2013! He deserves it.

[geetface9]

WOW what a race!!! Bummed out for hamilton as I'd rather see the championship fight take place on the track rather than coming down to mechanical issues. Happy for rosberg to keep it together despite a couple mistakes he made and super bummed for perez!!! I think perez moved over a bit which is why he and massa collided. Either way, no tears for massa

I didn't see anything wrong with rosberg pushing hamilton out after turn 1. Haters gonna hate!

[sagi58]

Hamilton wasn't able to continue, probably because his problems were
different; but...

You may have been in the bathroom at the time but the engineers told Nico that they were already aware of the loss of power when he reported it, it was the same issue on Lewis' car and they were investigating it.

Thanks!! I heard that; but, there is still room for the possibility that something else was amiss!

No offense but I'd rather tryst the feedback of a Mercedes race engineer than your speculation. But what do I know, once in a while... Bianchi comes in 9th and you get the credit for the biggest long shot pick in the history of the pool game.

Stranger things have happened!!

[LRW]

So the only thing I dont understand about this weekend.

How a driver can lock his wheels, cut a corner, seemingly accelerate through said cut corner, gain 0.6sec in that cut corner, maintain position that he had a high chance of losing because of the initial lock up, AND set then set the fastest lap of the race at that point by 0.6sec - and yet despite all this, not be deemed to have 'gained an advantage'?

[Hammer278]

So the only thing I dont understand about this weekend.

How a driver can lock his wheels, cut a corner, seemingly accelerate through said cut corner, gain 0.6sec in that cut corner, maintain position that he had a high chance of losing because of the initial lock up, AND set then set the fastest lap of the race at that point by 0.6sec - and yet despite all this, not be deemed to have 'gained an advantage'?

Who his teammate is probably has a large part to do with it. Sounds kinda irrational but there you go.

[1Lemon]

Hammer come on that's ridiculous. Hamilton being Hamilton has nothing to do with it.

There's no question he gained about half a second advantage, but what do you want the stewards to do? He can't give the place up to Hamilton as he wasn't defending or being attacked at that moment, the next thing is a 5 second stop-go which would be ridiculously harsh.

[geetface9]

Hammer come on that's ridiculous. Hamilton being Hamilton has nothing to do with it.

There's no question he gained about half a second advantage, but what do you want the stewards to do? He can't give the place up to Hamilton as he wasn't defending or being attacked at that moment, the next thing is a 5 second stop-go which would be ridiculously harsh.

I agree, a drive through penalty or 5 sec stop-go would have been way too harsh, especially as rosberg only did it ONCE. It was a mistake that unfortunately netted him a half sec gain. Lewis' engineer did tell him that rosberg had been given a 'final warning' from the stewards, i.e. if it happened again he may have received a drive through penalty or 5 sec stop-go.

If he had done it three times like hulkenberg in the wiliams did to webber at monza in 2010 I could definitely understand the ire, but it was one time and he lost 1.4 seconds during his second pit stop, so in a sense justice was served anyway

[What's Burning?]

He can't give the place up to Hamilton as he wasn't defending or being attacked at that moment

he wasn't defending? He cooked the brakes because he was under the most pressure Hamilton had put on him since the start of the race. Had he not gone through the chicane he would have clearly lost the position or crashed. There are plenty of things he did wrong even though the standard gain a position by cutting a corner definition doesn't apply. How's four wheels off the track sound? The stewards are saying he did SOMETHING wrong since they game him a warning.

A five grid place penalty would have been plenty fair IMO.

[geetface9]

He can't give the place up to Hamilton as he wasn't defending or being attacked at that moment

he wasn't defending? He cooked the brakes because he was under the most pressure Hamilton had put on him since the start of the race. Had he not gone through the chicane he would have clearly lost the position or crashed. There are plenty of things he did wrong even though the standard gain a position by cutting a corner definition doesn't apply. How's four wheels off the track sound? The stewards are saying he did SOMETHING wrong since they game him a warning.

A five grid place penalty would have been plenty fair IMO.

I think lemon just means hamilton wasn't going for an inside move and they weren't side by side or anything like that. It may be likely he might have lost the position going into turn 1 had rosberg just locked it up and made the chicane. It's also possible that hamilton would have had to slow down even more to not hit rosberg from behind going through the chicane and lost his drive coming out of it. So I wouldn't say it was 'clear' that he would have been passed although I know what you are saying would have been a likelihood

[1Lemon]

Exactly, there's a difference between being put under pressure and someone putting a passing move on you. A five place grid penalty would not be fair in any way. Plenty of drivers locked up and missedcorners and nobody is complaining about them, should Kyvat get one too, of course not because he wasn't being caught by someone behind him so therefore that doesn't matter?

[Denthúl]

he wasn't defending?

As in, he wasn't defending against a move in that particular corner. Had it been a side-by-side scenario, then I think yielding the position would be an acceptable instruction from the FIA, but ultimately that wasn't the case.

A five grid place penalty would have been plenty fair IMO.

I disagree - he cut the chicane once, a warning is fair for that. I don't believe we've seen anyone penalised in the past for cutting a chicane whilst ahead without first being given at least one warning for it, so to start doing so now would be ridiculous. Yeah, it was a bit of a shitty move (also, why is there a straight run through on that corner? I'd have expected something similar to the staggered kerbs you get at some tracks, to be honest), but to penalise one instance when in the past drivers have had up to three warnings would not be a good move.

Who his teammate is probably has a large part to do with it. Sounds kinda irrational but there you go.

I'd be willing to bet the same people complaining that Nico got away with it because the stewards/FIA are biased against Lewis would also be complaining that the stewards/FIA are biased against Lewis if the roles were reversed and a penalty was handed out. In situations like this, they can't really win.

[Hammer278]

Brundle was talking about a new regulation of a 5 second stop go added to a regular pitstop time, IMO that is not too harsh and quite fitting. Rosberg would've lost 5 more seconds during one of his pitstops and that's it.

The point is the INTENT. If you floor it OFFROAD and gain an advantage and don't give that advantage back (at least lift off a little which he didn't) you intended to gain an advantage outside track boundaries. And he simply got a warning.

How ridiculous would it look if Lewis did the exact same thing the very next lap in an attempt to catch up? Another "warning"? Goddamn stewards.