- 12 Oct 08, 03:31#70835
Although all of what you have said is actually worthy of being listened to, as usual it is full of biasisim. All the good you have mentioned is by British teams and that is it. (Or half British teams if that is how you want to see McLaren as according to how you have pointed out many times). Accoding to you Ferrari has done no good, whatever they have done is due to someone from McLaren and then McLaren eventually perfected it and this and that, bluh, bluh, bluh. No Ferrari has been given the title as the greatest as they are the more successful, not the most innovative. At the end of the day racing is about winning. There is no use being the most innovative if you are not winning. Lotus invented what they did but where are they now? Ferrari have won the most and in the end winning is what everyone races for. Ferrari is the greatest and no matter how much excuses you make to deny it, you will always be wrong.
Ferrari were even still the most successful before the Michael Schumacher era. In fact only for a brief time at the end of 1993 did McLaren for a brief moment in F1 history get that title from Ferrari. (And did I hate McLaren for it!). At the end of 1993 McLaren had won in its history 104 races as compared to Ferraris 103. In 1994 it was equalled again as Ferrari won a race and McLaren won nothing and in 1995 Ferrari was once again the most successful as they again won a race and McLaren won nothing. And after that in 1996 came the saviour and F1 God Michael Schmacher who for all his great efforts as put this honour far out of McLaren's reach. Even after 2004 Ferrari had the biggest percentage of wins (per races competed) than McLaren. Again thanks to Michael Schumacher. So that now leaves the next thing on who is the greatest. Ferrari is the greatest team ever and unparelled and Michael Schumacher the greatest driver ever.
That's a pretty one-sided view though: I take it you're looking exclusively at technical innovations (and even there I dispute your assertion about Ferrari). HOWEVER, Ferrari brought the fame and the famous and fans to F1 and therefore $$$, which no doubt helped McLaren (and F1 as a whole) way more than what all the other teams combined have done for F1. In fact, that contribution and elevation of F1 by Ferrari has provided the basis (financial and otherwise) and opportunity for the other teams to come up with their contributions.
To be honest, DD, the only ground-breaking piece of innovation that I can think Ferrari came up with was the semi-automatic gearbox, but even then it was designed by an ex-McLaren engineer and was perfected by another team. Don't quote me on this, but it was not until the McLaren MP4-9 came along (so 1994) that the gearbox became fully semi-automatic, for McLaren devised a way of removing the clutch pedal and having the clutch controlled via a paddle on the back of the steering wheel. As I've said a couple of times before, kudos to Ferrari for having the distinction of being the oldest team in Formula One, although it counts for something, it's not enough to make them the greatest team ever. For the most part, Lotus are the reason why Formula One cars look as they do today. They are the greatest Formula One team ever. McLaren and a couple of others have to fight it out for second place.
I'm also not sure that Ferrari contributed all that much money to Formula One. In the early days of motorsport, Ferrari were seen as tag-ons to Alfa Romeo. Also, throughout their Formula One history, Ferrari have had very lengthy barren patches. It was Lotus who brought sponsors into Formula One, being the first to ditch national colours in favour of a sponsor's livery. Other teams then copied. In the 1980s and '90s, Ferrari's support was not all that extensive outside of Italy. It was McLaren and Williams keeping Formula One afloat. It's only really since the late '90s that Ferrari have begun to contribute to Formula One for the first time God-knows-when. The rise of manufacturers also means that Ferrari's contribution is not key to Formula One. If Ferrari were to leave Formula One, it would be a travesty, but no one team is bigger than the sport. Plenty of legendary teams and drivers have come and gone and Formula One is stronger than ever.
Although all of what you have said is actually worthy of being listened to, as usual it is full of biasisim. All the good you have mentioned is by British teams and that is it. (Or half British teams if that is how you want to see McLaren as according to how you have pointed out many times). Accoding to you Ferrari has done no good, whatever they have done is due to someone from McLaren and then McLaren eventually perfected it and this and that, bluh, bluh, bluh. No Ferrari has been given the title as the greatest as they are the more successful, not the most innovative. At the end of the day racing is about winning. There is no use being the most innovative if you are not winning. Lotus invented what they did but where are they now? Ferrari have won the most and in the end winning is what everyone races for. Ferrari is the greatest and no matter how much excuses you make to deny it, you will always be wrong.
Ferrari were even still the most successful before the Michael Schumacher era. In fact only for a brief time at the end of 1993 did McLaren for a brief moment in F1 history get that title from Ferrari. (And did I hate McLaren for it!). At the end of 1993 McLaren had won in its history 104 races as compared to Ferraris 103. In 1994 it was equalled again as Ferrari won a race and McLaren won nothing and in 1995 Ferrari was once again the most successful as they again won a race and McLaren won nothing. And after that in 1996 came the saviour and F1 God Michael Schmacher who for all his great efforts as put this honour far out of McLaren's reach. Even after 2004 Ferrari had the biggest percentage of wins (per races competed) than McLaren. Again thanks to Michael Schumacher. So that now leaves the next thing on who is the greatest. Ferrari is the greatest team ever and unparelled and Michael Schumacher the greatest driver ever.
Last edited by AKR on 12 Oct 08, 03:36, edited 1 time in total.
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JUVENTUS 31 VOLTE CAMPIONE D'ITALIA
Ferrari. Non c'è niente migliore!!!!!
HAJDUK ŽIVI VJEČNO. STO GODINA 1911-2011.
JUVENTUS 31 VOLTE CAMPIONE D'ITALIA
Ferrari. Non c'è niente migliore!!!!!
HAJDUK ŽIVI VJEČNO. STO GODINA 1911-2011.
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