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[FerrariFan63]

My guess is that there's a bit of the prisoner's dilemma going around.

The FIA probably wouldn't find out anything by itself if there weren't people prepared to give evidence. But if they incriminate themselves, they won't do it. So, you raise the possibility of deals, with immunity on offer.

Then, if you get a group of people who know that something dirty has gone on. If they are the ones to shop the whole deal to the FIA they get immunity. If everyone stays schtumm, then the FIA never finds out, and noone gets penalised. But, if someone stays quiet, but someone else in the group spills the beans, then the people who stayed quiet get penalised. So, what do you do?

Though an alternative interpretation is that the FIA doesn't want to penalise drivers, no matter what. Look at 2007, Lewis and Fernando kept all their points, even though they were driving McLaren cars! Nothing this time either.

[bud]

My guess is that there's a bit of the prisoner's dilemma going around.

The FIA probably wouldn't find out anything by itself if there weren't people prepared to give evidence. But if they incriminate themselves, they won't do it. So, you raise the possibility of deals, with immunity on offer.

Then, if you get a group of people who know that something dirty has gone on. If they are the ones to shop the whole deal to the FIA they get immunity. If everyone stays schtumm, then the FIA never finds out, and noone gets penalised. But, if someone stays quiet, but someone else in the group spills the beans, then the people who stayed quiet get penalised. So, what do you do?

Though an alternative interpretation is that the FIA doesn't want to penalise drivers, no matter what. Look at 2007, Lewis and Fernando kept all their points, even though they were driving McLaren cars! Nothing this time either.

even though they were driving McLaren cars?

[FerrariFan63]

even though they were driving McLaren cars?

2007 =spygate. Did I get the year wrong? There was certainly a lot of kerfuffle at the time concerning whether they should still be in the championship when the team had been kicked out of the championship for cheating.

[vaptin]

they might have been part of a team doing wrong, but did they do wrong themselves? Piquet took proactive action for misdoing.

[bud]

even though they were driving McLaren cars?

2007 =spygate. Did I get the year wrong? There was certainly a lot of kerfuffle at the time concerning whether they should still be in the championship when the team had been kicked out of the championship for cheating.

No but it was never proved McLaren had any Ferrari technology in there anyway! McLaren were treated like s*** at the hands of Max yet Renault who actually used McLarens J damper got absolutely nothing!
One could use the current scandal where they singled out the select few who had the knowledge at Renault and punish them and not the team. McLaren as a team were punished. FIA inconsistent corrupt old men in suits!

[billindenver]

even though they were driving McLaren cars?

2007 =spygate. Did I get the year wrong? There was certainly a lot of kerfuffle at the time concerning whether they should still be in the championship when the team had been kicked out of the championship for cheating.

No but it was never proved McLaren had any Ferrari technology in there anyway! McLaren were treated like s*** at the hands of Max yet Renault who actually used McLarens J damper got absolutely nothing!
One could use the current scandal where they singled out the select few who had the knowledge at Renault and punish them and not the team. McLaren as a team were punished. FIA inconsistent corrupt old men in suits!

And yet they were remarkably lenient during Lie-gate. I've competed in many different series in a multitude of different vehicles and it is always a well known fact that if you lie to the stewards and they can prove it...hell or even if they can't but they know you are lying....you are going to get hammered. Probably suspended for the rest of the season at least. Your hero got off unbelievably light. You are completely right about the inconsistency, but wrong in your assumption that it's all against McLaren.

[bud]

F1 is not directly comparable to local Karting or spec racing though. So comparing punishments is too not directly comparable. Its big money!

[Denthúl]

even though they were driving McLaren cars?

2007 =spygate. Did I get the year wrong? There was certainly a lot of kerfuffle at the time concerning whether they should still be in the championship when the team had been kicked out of the championship for cheating.

No but it was never proved McLaren had any Ferrari technology in there anyway! McLaren were treated like s*** at the hands of Max yet Renault who actually used McLarens J damper got absolutely nothing!
One could use the current scandal where they singled out the select few who had the knowledge at Renault and punish them and not the team. McLaren as a team were punished. FIA inconsistent corrupt old men in suits!

There was, of course, a key difference. McLaren's punishment came the second time they appeared before the WMSC, having previously claimed that there was no data. Renault admitted straight away. Doesn't make up for it, mind you. Todt/Vatanen need to sort things out quite quickly when one of them gets in.

[SingaporeSling]

Piquet wont ever get another F1 seat just because of the simple fact he dobbed on his old employer in an act of vengeance. Its like having used work cover for an injury that forever tarnishes your future job hopes.

That would be the common sense way of thinking. But now when you think it the other way round.

Q1: How did P. Jr get to F1?
A1: with Daddy's money

Q2: What do new teams, or old teams, such as Renault who lost main sponsors need?
A2: Money.

Q3: How do you get money and sponsorships for a new or small F1 team?
A3: Hire drivers who can pay for their seat.

Q4: who's still got money to pay for his son's F1 seat?
A4: P Sr.

So if the worst case comes true, little P will be driving a Renault 2010. Or even Brazil this year.

[Jabberwocky]

Piquet wont ever get another F1 seat just because of the simple fact he dobbed on his old employer in an act of vengeance. Its like having used work cover for an injury that forever tarnishes your future job hopes.

That would be the common sense way of thinking. But now when you think it the other way round.

Q1: How did P. Jr get to F1?
A1: with Daddy's money

Q2: What do new teams, or old teams, such as Renault who lost main sponsors need?
A2: Money.

Q3: How do you get money and sponsorships for a new or small F1 team?
A3: Hire drivers who can pay for their seat.

Q4: who's still got money to pay for his son's F1 seat?
A4: P Sr.

So if the worst case comes true, little P will be driving a Renault 2010. Or even Brazil this year.

Q5: what do teams need?
A5: results

Q6: can NP jr deliver results (for himself)?

[headless]

Piquet wont ever get another F1 seat just because of the simple fact he dobbed on his old employer in an act of vengeance. Its like having used work cover for an injury that forever tarnishes your future job hopes.

That would be the common sense way of thinking. But now when you think it the other way round.

Q1: How did P. Jr get to F1?
A1: with Daddy's money

Q2: What do new teams, or old teams, such as Renault who lost main sponsors need?
A2: Money.

Q3: How do you get money and sponsorships for a new or small F1 team?
A3: Hire drivers who can pay for their seat.

Q4: who's still got money to pay for his son's F1 seat?
A4: P Sr.

So if the worst case comes true, little P will be driving a Renault 2010. Or even Brazil this year.

Q5: what do teams need?
A5: results

Q6: can NP jr deliver results (for himself)?

[Bruno_Brazil]

Despite its anticipated sponsor carrying a whiter-than-white name, Formula One debutant Manor Grand Prix has admitted that it would consider running Nelson Piquet Jr in its first season, despite the disgraced Brazilian being centrally involved in the race-fixing scandal affecting last year's Singapore GP.

Team owner John Booth told the local Yorkshire Post newspaper that he hoped to be able to finalise his driver line-up by the middle of November, with Piquet's name being thrown into the mix alongside Britons Anthony Davidson and Adam Carroll, and former Red Bull driver Christian Klien, despite Booth admitting that he had yet to speak to the former Renault pilot.

The FIA gave Piquet Jr immunity from sanction in the Singapore affair after he confirmed suspicions that the outcome of the race had been manipulated when he was asked to crash out in the early laps. Team boss Flavio Briatore and engineering director Pat Symonds have both been handed lengthy bans from motorsport after being deemed guilty of orchestrating the incident.

"I've not spoken to him at the moment, but he's a smashing little driver," Booth said of the former GP2 Series runner-up, "I've no personal problems with him, but it is unclear what his current position is with regards sponsorship."

Booth also confirmed that he he had begun to discuss possible drives with the other candidates being linked to his squad.

"We have spoken to Christian, but nothing more, and I've had a chat with Anthony Davidson," he noted, "Meanwhile, Adam is a driver we rate very highly, and we have held talks with him. It's amazing the amount of quality drivers that are out there."

Booth also confirmed that work is underway not only on the team's first Cosworth-powered F1 car - which is being designed and built in conjunction with former Simtek owner/designer Nick Wirth - but also an extension to the team's facilities on the outskirts of Sheffield.

Meanwhile, the same report also claims that the anticipated deal with current Brawn backer Virgin is due to be announced around the time of the season-ending Abu Dhabi Grand Prix. The deal could see the team renamed Virgin F1, will provide not only much-needed finance for the 2010 season, but also the secondment of senior Virgin employees to help with team management.

http://www.crash.net/f1/news/152662/1/v ... iquet.html

[bud]

interesting you got the news from crash.net

[Bruno_Brazil]

hahahahhahahahahahhaha
you can read this here as well:
http://en.f1-live.com/f1/en/headlines/n ... 2330.shtml
http://www.zeenews.com/news566264.html
http://www.f1complete.com/content/view/14502/900/
http://uk.reuters.com/article/idUKTRE58O2BX20090925
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/25092009/ ... manor.html
http://formula-one.speedtv.com/article/ ... -for-2010/
http://www.planet-f1.com/story/0,18954, ... 35,00.html

[billindenver]

Piquet is a story right now. Saying that your team might be interested in him commits you to nothing, yet gets a story about your team in every publication out there. Free publicity is a wonderful thing. I'll be shocked if the lad is ever put in a car though.