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[onelapdown]

On the other side, we have post after post after post assuming Ferrari fans actually think as in TTF1's trolling.

Again, you're doing the same thing you're accusing others of. Just because a few threads pop up you assume it represents some widely held view, or else that it influences people, when neither is really the case. I haven't posted a single thing in the "sour grapes" thread, because I thought it was superfluous. What I have done is jumped on a few trolls and exposed the stupidity of their arguments, but at no point did it occur to me that anything larger than a slim majority had such clearly unhinged views.

[bud]

Ferrari fan how hypocritical, i recall you labeling ALL McLaren fans as Paranoid...

[headless]

To be fair, but i am not trying to prove a point, it doenst look like it is wet at all there. in that pic.

I dont think Glock got out of the way though.

See my post at the bottom of the previous page.

I see it. Cheers.

[headless]

Paranoia will destroy ya

[big ron]

Seems like truthteller has finally accepted it

(but will he return as fact man?)

[bmwpower]

This thread is lame

[onelapdown]

Paranoia will destroy ya

Jamiroquai fan huh?

[TruthTellerF1]

Nah... just finished helping the Obama campaign.

...now that's finally out of the way... so where were we?

Oh yes,....

Comment: Glock couldnt have reasonably lost 15 seconds on the last 30 seconds of the last lap

Argument: It was due to tyres and conditions (refer to Spa and Silverstone)

That last lap is no Spa and no Silverstone. Hit you tube, check the pictures. There is relatively minimal spray noticeable on the camera but it is not out and out spray. Glock was not suffering on dry tyres. The rain came down on lap 63 / 63 (Radio 5 Live reports "drops of rain, drops of rain").

Yes Glock is on dry tyres BUT the track is drying and he is not suffering from Lap 69 onwards. Listen to the commentary. Hamilton is pushing but he cannot catch them.

Glock moves aside to let through 3 drivers including Vettel and Hamilton. He commits the cardinal sin of not even defending his line. HE has superior pace over Hamilton. The track through juncao is not wet, there is no surface water, there is no loss of control by Glock, he has no reverse lock... simply he just pulls over.

Glock rolls over and hands it to Hamilton.

I'm a Hamilton and McLaren fan ... but that is a lame way to win. Ron Denis and the team really let down LH with over cautious tactics and Toyota helped them out. Maybe not illegal but definately worthy of an inquiry by the stewards.

It is notable that there is NO inquiry in the media and there is no direct explanation about that particular corner by McLaren, Glock, Toyota.

We can be relatively assured that LH is totally innocent to all of this as it had to have been a last minute call on lap 70.

Why did Glock lose 10 seconds during lap 70 so Hamilton could close up to within 15 seconds and then throw lap 71 seeing as the track was not getting any wetter, he had tyre temp and the track was drying.

Call a spade a spade.

[scotty]

Haha, i take it you haven't seen the lap times for the entire field on lap 71...

[csrracer]

Nah... just finished helping the Obama campaign.

...now that's finally out of the way... so where were we?

Oh yes,....

Comment: Glock couldnt have reasonably lost 15 seconds on the last 30 seconds of the last lap

Argument: It was due to tyres and conditions (refer to Spa and Silverstone)

That last lap is no Spa and no Silverstone. Hit you tube, check the pictures. There is relatively minimal spray noticeable on the camera but it is not out and out spray. Glock was not suffering on dry tyres. The rain came down on lap 63 / 63 (Radio 5 Live reports "drops of rain, drops of rain").

Yes Glock is on dry tyres BUT the track is drying and he is not suffering from Lap 69 onwards. Listen to the commentary. Hamilton is pushing but he cannot catch them.

Glock moves aside to let through 3 drivers including Vettel and Hamilton. He commits the cardinal sin of not even defending his line. HE has superior pace over Hamilton. The track through juncao is not wet, there is no surface water, there is no loss of control by Glock, he has no reverse lock... simply he just pulls over.

Glock rolls over and hands it to Hamilton.

I'm a Hamilton and McLaren fan ... but that is a lame way to win. Ron Denis and the team really let down LH with over cautious tactics and Toyota helped them out. Maybe not illegal but definately worthy of an inquiry by the stewards.

It is notable that there is NO inquiry in the media and there is no direct explanation about that particular corner by McLaren, Glock, Toyota.

We can be relatively assured that LH is totally innocent to all of this as it had to have been a last minute call on lap 70.

Why did Glock lose 10 seconds during lap 70 so Hamilton could close up to within 15 seconds and then throw lap 71 seeing as the track was not getting any wetter, he had tyre temp and the track was drying.

Call a spade a spade.

First you suggest I'm a racist for " mentioning Brazilian Fish Tacos" and Now you sarcasticlly mentioning Obama and you are calling Lewis Hamilton a "Spade", I think I see the reason for your denial.
Stop Being a Racist Troll and accept LH win....

[TruthTellerF1]

Wet my ****.



Look at the photo, do your homework:

(1) It is not wet - not Spa wet nor Silverstone wet, so there is no way to lose that amount of time
(2) It is not raining - it is not pouring and Glock has been handling it for some 5 laps on drys and has kept his position
(3) Glock is not struggling - he doesnt lose control, reverse lock, spin out but merely pulls over RIDICULOUSLY

"It was very wet and the car was basically undriveable in those conditions. I was sliding everywhere, with absolutely no grip at all" (Timo Glock)

"What was it like in wet conditions with dry tyres?"

Timo replies "It was not so bad until the final lap when the rain really began to come down very heavily"

The TV coverage and the still pictures are everywhere on the internet. At the time of the incident, it was as dry as it had been for 3 laps. The circuit was drying out, look for yourselves.

Glock is all over the shop with his comments. He is an unreliable witness as he is being accused. It was raining, it was easy to drive, the last lap was hard, it was "impossible".... look at his lap times... they raise too many questions... tyres cool quickly not over 7 laps (from lap 63 when it started to rain).

On lap 63 it starts to rain, during Lap 62, reports on 5 Live state that the rain is starting to fall. Renault reports "drops of rain, drops of rain"
Lap 66: 1:17.992
Lap 67: 1:18.897
Lap 68: 1:18.816

rain starts to ease
Lap 69: 1:18.688

Almost dry on parts of the track
Lap 70: 1:28.041
Lap 71: 1:44.731

Parc Ferme it starts to chuck it down
It wasnt hard for Glock to drive and keep control when it was raining hard during laps 63-68 so what about lap 70 & 71 when the rain was non-existent and the track was dry enough to not be a problem for Glock?

It doesn't add up.

PS - Ref the "bordering on racist" comment. It was. Clearly. As a race relations legal professional and an equalities and diversity specialist, you really dont wan't that argument. Honestly, you really don't. Go and thumb through IGEN v Wong or better still Lord Nicholl's decision in Nagarajan (House of Lords). Then come back to me.

[csrracer]

OK here it goes one more time, Yes the track does not seem all that wet, and the rain seems to be holding off for a bit but, what you may not understand is that even if it stopped raining completely, The damp track,with old cold Dry tires makes for no traction, if you are having a hard time understanding the lap times and the traction issues, look at the beginning of the race.
Kubica went out on dry tires when everyone else was going to start on Inters, He finished his warm up lap by pulling into the pits and going to Inters, WHY. The rain at this point had stopped and the track was just damp. Why would Kubica sacrifice his Grid position? Because even at the warm up lap's pace he could not find traction with his dry tires.
When the race started, the rain had stopped, with some parts of the track barely getting wet. Now check out the lap times (http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/u ... llaps2.pdf) it takes app. 10 laps before the teams start to come in for dries. to put the timeline into perspective: it rained then stopped, there was a 5 minute delay, then a warm up lap,then the race started and it took 9-to 10 laps for the track to be dry enough to go in for dries. That's approximately 20 minutes after the rain had stopped for the track to be dry enough for dry tires and the first cars to pit came out on dries and were doing laps in the 1:44 range, sound familiar....
How in gods name do you think it could possibly be dry enough after 4 laps for Glock's Cold warn out Dry tires to be working properly and going any faster than fresh hot dry tires ?

[stonemonkey]

Truthteller: see my post near the bottom of page 7 of this topic. I agree that it wasn't the wettest part of the circuit but it was still wet and dry tyres going through a mostly wet circuit aren't suddenly going to give dry weather performance on a slightly less wet suface.

[csrracer]

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Picture of Kubica and Kovalinen on last lap Note the TRACK IS WET

Massa @ finish line.jpg

A few seconds later on the track in front of Glock and Hamilton Massa is crossing the finish line
please notice THE TRACK IS WET

[bmwpower]

I have a question to ask these "experts". Was any of you there in Brazil?? Any of you put your hands on the track to see if its wet?? Any of you actually drive an F1 car in the wet?? If you are playing detective from watching youtube then your opinions are worth Do yourself a favor get yourself a High Def TV and you can actually sprays coming out of Glock's tires.