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[bud]

It's safe to say you don't have a comprehension of what a civilised society means. Going on about Wars being just or unjust is another topic all together.
Fact remains the ruling powers of Bahrain and many other Middle Eastern countries have been involved is uprisings by the people if you haven't noticed, having a Grand Prix during such uprisings is not only unsafe but shows support for said powers of the country which is what is pissing off the people of Bahrain.

[What's Burning?]

Andrew, sometimes you make an argument simply to prove a point, but it doesn't mean you win the argument. We're all relatively bright around here as a collective, and yea we know no country is without global/human rights violations... but I can't recall the last time 18 people were gunned down for protesting an F1 race in either the US nor the UK and that's what's being discussed. Gold star for you however for being technically correct.

[andrew]

It's safe to say you don't have a comprehension of what a civilised society means. Going on about Wars being just or unjust is another topic all together.
Fact remains the ruling powers of Bahrain and many other Middle Eastern countries have been involved is uprisings by the people if you haven't noticed, having a Grand Prix during such uprisings is not only unsafe but shows support for said powers of the country which is what is pissing off the people of Bahrain.

Don't tell me or anyone else what they do and do not comprhend. It seems that it is you that have yet to understand what I am saying. So here it is again seeing as you're having trouble with it. No country is civilisied. All countries are guilty of some pretty barbaric acts. To label another country as uncivilised is total hypocrisy! I'm not condoning what's gone on in Bahrain but as I said, if the F1 calander was to be based on morality then there would be no races at all.

[vaptin]

Well, no one is arguing every country is political perfect (like What's burning said), their arguing one country has a significantly worse human rights record (and the like, however you want to put it), that doesn't mean other race-hosing nations are utopian.

Although I generally agree with you, ideally race hosting should be independent of the nation its held in, the races do hold nationalistic significance, and if the hosting of the Bahrain gp is causing problems for the general population it should be cancelled.

[darwin dali]

that doesn't mean other race-hosing nations are utopian.

Seems like you jumped on Bernie's bandwagon about artificial rain during races

[LewEngBridewell]

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[vaptin]

that doesn't mean other race-hosing nations are utopian.

Seems like you jumped on Bernie's bandwagon about artificial rain during races

Well, 2/3 ain't bad.

[bud]

You're impossible Andrew you really are!

No country is civilised... Ok you barbarian.

[andrew]

No need to sulk Bud.

We just have to accept that we have different opinions on this.

[bud]

No need to sulk Bud.

We just have to accept that we have different opinions on this.

Opinions on the definition of civilised? It's pretty straight forward really, but as WB says sometimes or most of the time I should say you just like to be arguing on something just for the sake of it.

Formula One's team principals are hoping the FIA calls the Bahrain Grand Prix off, one of the 12 team bosses has told the Guardian anonymously.

The race is scheduled to go ahead in two weeks' time with both circuit officials and Bernie Ecclestone insisting it will be business as usual at the Bahrain International Circuit. But protests in the streets over recent weeks have led to serious concerns about the security situation, with the FIA saying it is "constantly monitoring and evaluating the situation".

In an interview with the Guardian, the nameless team principal said he could not envisage the race going ahead without serious security measures in place.

"I feel very uncomfortable about going to Bahrain," he said. "If I'm brutally frank, the only way they can pull this race off without incident is to have a complete military lock-down there. And I think that would be unacceptable, both for Formula One and for Bahrain. But I don't see any other way they can do it."

One concern had been that the teams would not be able to insure their staff and the millions of dollars of equipment while in the country, and the team principal talking to the Guardian said it was the safety of the staff that was really worrying the team bosses.

"We're all hoping the FIA calls it off," he added. "From a purely legal point of view, in terms of insurance and government advice, we are clear to go. But what we find worrying is that there are issues happening every day. I saw an interview with a human rights activist on BBC World, and he said that there would be demonstrations and that they would be peaceful. But that is the way all demonstrations start off.

"Other team principals are going through the same worries. I spent all last week making sure the insurances are right so I can reassure the teams. I've sent out an email to our legal department to make sure all our employees are covered for acts of terrorism and civil disorder while travelling to, during and coming back from the Bahrain GP.

"We have a lot of people. Our first and foremost priority has to be our employees. And their families. That's what concerns us most, even though we've not said anything about it. It seems to me that while there has been some political progress in Bahrain they're not quite ready. The best thing would be for the race to be postponed until later in the year, or even cancelled.

"But that is a decision that must be made by the FIA, FOM [Formula One Management] and the commercial rights holder. I never anticipated a decision being made until the week before China. I believe Jean Todt is in China, which is interesting."

The comments emerged on the same day the Times reported that several teams have made contingency plans for their staff to return home after the Chinese Grand Prix rather than travel to Bahrain.

© ESPN EMEA Ltd.

[geetface9]

I think what's missing here is the fact that having a "definition of civilized" is impossible and can only be an opinion, because everyone 'defines' 'civilized' differently. So I think some are picking on andrew with an idea of a fact that really is just an opinion, and we're all just as silly as anyone else in this thread, including me!!



I'm not trying to toot my own horn, but I do have a B.S. in justice studies, and I can tell you that books could be (and have been) written from the prompt, "define civilized" so let's go back to talking sh1t about bahrain's track layout cuz most people except me can agree on that

[darwin dali]

I think what's missing here is the fact that having a "definition of civilized" is impossible and can only be an opinion, because everyone 'defines' 'civilized' differently. So I think some are picking on andrew with an idea of a fact that really is just an opinion, and we're all just as silly as anyone else in this thread, including me!!



I'm not trying to toot my own horn, but I do have a B.S. in justice studies, and I can tell you that books could be (and have been) written from the prompt, "define civilized" so let's go back to talking sh1t about bahrain's track layout cuz most people except me can agree on that

B.S., hm, I see

[geetface9]

I think what's missing here is the fact that having a "definition of civilized" is impossible and can only be an opinion, because everyone 'defines' 'civilized' differently. So I think some are picking on andrew with an idea of a fact that really is just an opinion, and we're all just as silly as anyone else in this thread, including me!!



I'm not trying to toot my own horn, but I do have a B.S. in justice studies, and I can tell you that books could be (and have been) written from the prompt, "define civilized" so let's go back to talking sh1t about bahrain's track layout cuz most people except me can agree on that

B.S., hm, I see

I see too...I shoulda been a mathematician!! More $$ which means more !!

[darwin dali]

No need to sulk Bud.

We just have to accept that we have different opinions on this.

Opinions on the definition of civilised? It's pretty straight forward really, but as WB says sometimes or most of the time I should say you just like to be arguing on something just for the sake of it.

Formula One's team principals are hoping the FIA calls the Bahrain Grand Prix off, one of the 12 team bosses has told the Guardian anonymously.

The race is scheduled to go ahead in two weeks' time with both circuit officials and Bernie Ecclestone insisting it will be business as usual at the Bahrain International Circuit. But protests in the streets over recent weeks have led to serious concerns about the security situation, with the FIA saying it is "constantly monitoring and evaluating the situation".

In an interview with the Guardian, the nameless team principal said he could not envisage the race going ahead without serious security measures in place.

"I feel very uncomfortable about going to Bahrain," he said. "If I'm brutally frank, the only way they can pull this race off without incident is to have a complete military lock-down there. And I think that would be unacceptable, both for Formula One and for Bahrain. But I don't see any other way they can do it."

One concern had been that the teams would not be able to insure their staff and the millions of dollars of equipment while in the country, and the team principal talking to the Guardian said it was the safety of the staff that was really worrying the team bosses.

"We're all hoping the FIA calls it off," he added. "From a purely legal point of view, in terms of insurance and government advice, we are clear to go. But what we find worrying is that there are issues happening every day. I saw an interview with a human rights activist on BBC World, and he said that there would be demonstrations and that they would be peaceful. But that is the way all demonstrations start off.

"Other team principals are going through the same worries. I spent all last week making sure the insurances are right so I can reassure the teams. I've sent out an email to our legal department to make sure all our employees are covered for acts of terrorism and civil disorder while travelling to, during and coming back from the Bahrain GP.

"We have a lot of people. Our first and foremost priority has to be our employees. And their families. That's what concerns us most, even though we've not said anything about it. It seems to me that while there has been some political progress in Bahrain they're not quite ready. The best thing would be for the race to be postponed until later in the year, or even cancelled.

"But that is a decision that must be made by the FIA, FOM [Formula One Management] and the commercial rights holder. I never anticipated a decision being made until the week before China. I believe Jean Todt is in China, which is interesting."

The comments emerged on the same day the Times reported that several teams have made contingency plans for their staff to return home after the Chinese Grand Prix rather than travel to Bahrain.

© ESPN EMEA Ltd.

So, who's the anonymous team boss? Let the speculations begin...

[Jabberwocky]

Team Bosses have a duty of care to their employees, If they can not keep them safe then they have the right to be worried.

Think about the safety of the situation, all it would take is for one suicide bomber to get into a packed stand, detonating themselves at the moment the lights go out on the race!