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#78894
To be fair, but i am not trying to prove a point, it doenst look like it is wet at all there. in that pic.

I dont think Glock got out of the way though.


See my post at the bottom of the previous page.
#78901
Just read this entire threa ( sad bugger I know but hey ho ) and thought id register to point out one little bit of info..

Truth's entire "conspiracy" rests on Glock losing a 15 second lead in the last 30 seconds.. Strange, because as this video shows http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k6cqY0u8hlyx4MPiE0 ( at 33 seconds in ), Martin Brundle says Glock is 15 seconds ahead of Hamilton when Hamilton starts his last lap.. So if Glock did his last lap in 1.44.731 and was 15 ahead when hamilton crossed the line for the last lap, by my maths, Glock had 1 minute 29 seconds left of his last lap. Lamilton did his last lap in 1.26.126. It wasnt 15 seconds over 30 seconds but an entire lap. This is by far not impossible, even alonso managed it in Spa.

Anyway, I dont give a tiddlypoo, It was a spanking race and a spanking win for hamilton.

Off to read more trollage posts..
#78938
OK here it goes one more time, Yes the track does not seem all that wet, and the rain seems to be holding off for a bit but, what you may not understand is that even if it stopped raining completely, The damp track,with old cold Dry tires makes for no traction, if you are having a hard time understanding the lap times and the traction issues, look at the beginning of the race.
Kubica went out on dry tires when everyone else was going to start on Inters, He finished his warm up lap by pulling into the pits and going to Inters, WHY. The rain at this point had stopped and the track was just damp. Why would Kubica sacrifice his Grid position? Because even at the warm up lap's pace he could not find traction with his dry tires.
When the race started, the rain had stopped, with some parts of the track barely getting wet. Now check out the lap times (http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/u ... llaps2.pdf) it takes app. 10 laps before the teams start to come in for dries. to put the timeline into perspective: it rained then stopped, there was a 5 minute delay, then a warm up lap,then the race started and it took 9-to 10 laps for the track to be dry enough to go in for dries. That's approximately 15 minutes after the rain had stopped for the track to be dry enough for dry tires and the first cars to pit came out on dries and were doing laps in the 1:44 range, sound familiar....
How in gods name do you think it could possibly be dry enough after 4 laps for Glock's Cold warn out Dry tires to be working properly and going any faster than fresh hot dry tires ?
#78944
If you watch the end of the second last lap Hamilton lets Vettel past at the same place by deliberately running wide, he must've wanted Massa to win the championship.

And he was on inters, how suspicious does that look!
#78985
http://www.f1fanatic.co.uk/wp-content/u ... llaps2.pdf

I'll just say in here as well that Barichello was fastest (by almost 2 seconds) on the last lap on his full wets, which pretty much says it all. This stupid conspiracy allegation can be put to bed now i think.
#79032
Seriously now, you would have to be the king simpleton of the world to believe Glock let Hamilton by, not to mention blind as a bat if you couldn't see the rain, and technically ignorant if you don't understand the affect of that rain on worn dry tires. I don't like that Hamilton won, but I'm man enough to accept that racing is racing and McLaren had the better season by a point this year.

So grow a pair, quit your whining, tug your panties out of your crack and congratulate the winning team. Snivelling because your guy lost is as cowardly and silly as complaining that the stewards penalized your driver.
#79034
Seriously now, you would have to be the king simpleton of the world to believe Glock let Hamilton by, not to mention blind as a bat if you couldn't see the rain, and technically ignorant if you don't understand the affect of that rain on worn dry tires. I don't like that Hamilton won, but I'm man enough to accept that racing is racing and McLaren had the better season by a point this year.

So grow a pair, quit your whining, tug your panties out of your crack and congratulate the winning team. Snivelling because your guy lost is as cowardly and silly as complaining that the stewards penalized your driver.

Bill,
Your holding back so why dont you say what your truelly feeling!!! :rofl::wink:
#79037
Hello everybody, I'm a McLaren fan and this is my first ever post in this forum.

I think it dreadful that the Ferrari team, who are actually lizardlike alien's from outer s'pace are allowed to compete in Formula one. It that Max Mos'ley who is' a robot droid controlled by remote control held by Ferrari pit members' who always' do whatever electronic command send from Ferrari pit. And Ferrari cheat by making s'tandard electronic ECU for all teams'. Why Ferrari given this' contract. It gros's'ly unfair, show that FIA is' cheating!!!!
#79039
Well, it seems like even the mods aren't interested in clearing this up.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4812 Thread locked.

Personally I believe the locking of that thread was a very poor decision. A separate thread would have made things clear and given people a chance to show that these conspiracy theories are not widely believed outside of a single troll. But no.

I predict that years from now fans of other teams will be claiming that Ferrari fans were squealing about Glock in the last lap. As their desperate wish to believe that Ferrari fans are as bad sports as they are causes them to ignore the obvious.
#79041
Well, it seems like even the mods aren't interested in clearing this up.

viewtopic.php?f=2&t=4812 Thread locked.

Personally I believe the locking of that thread was a very poor decision. A separate thread would have made things clear and given people a chance to show that these conspiracy theories are not widely believed outside of a single troll. But no.

I predict that years from now fans of other teams will be claiming that Ferrari fans were squealing about Glock in the last lap. As their desperate wish to believe that Ferrari fans are as bad sports as they are causes them to ignore the obvious.


Only trying to point out that sometime's a new thread is not necessary that is all :wink: .
#79046
I predict that years from now fans of other teams will be claiming that Ferrari fans were squealing about Glock in the last lap. As their desperate wish to believe that Ferrari fans are as bad sports as they are causes them to ignore the obvious.

In a way you fall foul of your own argument. "their desperate wish to believe that Ferrari fans are bad sports" you say, but my observation has been that many Ferrari fans have taken it the right way - disappointed but accepting of the result, while some have simply been unable to accept what happened. That doesn't just apply to Ferrari fans, there is one prominent spanish journalist who is in print as saying that the Hamilton-Glock pass was a conspiracy. That observation has nothing to do with my point of view, it's a fact. The point is that I abhor polarisation in any area of debate and life in general, and saying that someone who supports a team other than Ferrari is automatically inclined to think the worse of them is in itself a polarisation of the situation...
#79048
Well, here's a challenge for people. Can anyone here make a list of Ferrari fans on this newsgroup who believe that Glock deliberately let Hamilton through to gift him the championship. And by "Ferrari fans" I would expect to see some evidence that they are fans, i.e. that they didn't register the day of the race or afterwards just to start and continue "Glockgate" conspiracy theories.

There are lunatics on every side. But I can find a whole bunch of people who are arguing against "TruthTellerF1", but don't see any known Ferrari fans taking the loss in the drivers championship in anything but a dignified manner.
#79050
That observation has nothing to do with my point of view, it's a fact. The point is that I abhor polarisation in any area of debate and life in general, and saying that someone who supports a team other than Ferrari is automatically inclined to think the worse of them is in itself a polarisation of the situation...


I'm not just automatically thinking that of people who support teams other than Ferrari. I'm looking at hard evidence in this thread and others where people are swallowing TruthTellerF1's trolling hook line and sinker, starting threads about the "sour grapes" on this forum etc. The two situations are entirely different. In one case, we have a group arguing against a single obvious troll. On the other side, we have post after post after post assuming Ferrari fans actually think as in TTF1's trolling. There level of evidence for each side is orders of magnitude different.
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