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#228162
He was very fast and he still is, but he was a rookie in Formula 1 and he displayed it on his entire splendor losing the WDC because he couldn’t cope with pressure at the last races, something he still hasn’t improved.


You don't have to be a rookie to lose a WDC the last race of a season. Two time world champions do that even though they've had tons of time to improve.


Please, don’t be unfair. Lewis headed the championship for 17 points with 20 points left and he scored 0 points because he couldn’t cope with pressure.
The 2010 last five races have shown what a kind of a champion Alonso is. He didn’t win the WDC for anybody’s fault but him.
If you don’t see that is because you didn’t want to do it.


Lewis scored in Brazil, but Whats burning is right, end of the day Alonso lost it at the last race after going in with a lead! All this with 2 titles and numerous seasons under his belt! :rofl:
#228163
The infamous quote ''we're racing Fernando''
Did Mclaren provide FA with an inferior car compare 2 Lewis????
I dont know why this is news but in the world of sports disgruntled athletes get kicked out,put on the bench from the team all the time! FA is no different! Macca got tired of his anthics((( but still gave him a car 2 compete with)))
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I forgot that FA doesnt like to race against teammates so the Ron comment must have rubbed some of his fans the wrong way! It's just ''ridiculous" :hehe:
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By Jack Master
#228165
I think that Mclaren did not favour any driver.


I think you have it exactly Right!


I just can't agree on this point. And it's proved by Ron Dennis' own words: "We weren’t racing Kimi, we were basically racing Fernando.” This put's pay to any thought that, for at least the last two races, Fernando was alone racing Lewis with the complete backing of the whole McLaren team.

I know people justify this by saying Fernando was already known to be leaving the team, and I won't comment the morals of that, but, no-one could possibly claim that, at a bare minimum, for the last two races of the season, McLaren completely favored Lewis.


I agree with you and about the decision taken by Alonso leaving McLaren to come back to Renault, talks for itself. He renounced to drive a fantastic car and abandoned a millionaire contract because he gives importance to other things apart from money and victories. I doubt any other driver would have the principles, values and the character to do the same
#228166
He was very fast and he still is, but he was a rookie in Formula 1 and he displayed it on his entire splendor losing the WDC because he couldn’t cope with pressure at the last races, something he still hasn’t improved.


You don't have to be a rookie to lose a WDC the last race of a season. Two time world champions do that even though they've had tons of time to improve.


Please, don’t be unfair. Lewis headed the championship for 17 points with 20 points left and he scored 0 points because he couldn’t cope with pressure.
The 2010 last five races have shown what a kind of a champion Alonso is. He didn’t win the WDC for anybody’s fault but him.
If you don’t see that is because you didn’t want to do it.


Lewis scored in Brazil, but Whats burning is right, end of the day Alonso lost it at the last race after going in with a lead! All this with 2 titles and numerous seasons under his belt! :rofl:


Although I don't agree with laughing at someone's mistakes or bad luck, I think the point Bud makes has meaning. 6 more points and Fernando would already be a 4 times WDC :-)
By Jack Master
#228167
He was very fast and he still is, but he was a rookie in Formula 1 and he displayed it on his entire splendor losing the WDC because he couldn’t cope with pressure at the last races, something he still hasn’t improved.


You don't have to be a rookie to lose a WDC the last race of a season. Two time world champions do that even though they've had tons of time to improve.


Please, don’t be unfair. Lewis headed the championship for 17 points with 20 points left and he scored 0 points because he couldn’t cope with pressure.
The 2010 last five races have shown what a kind of a champion Alonso is. He didn’t win the WDC for anybody’s fault but him.
If you don’t see that is because you didn’t want to do it.


Lewis scored in Brazil, but Whats burning is right, end of the day Alonso lost it at the last race after going in with a lead! All this with 2 titles and numerous seasons under his belt! :rofl:


You know perfectly why. Anybody fault but him.
#228168
Aww really? 2 more points and Lewis would be double WDC going by that theory.

Anyway, what all the people in denial will never be able to answer is my one question: Why would McLaren hire a double WDC and pay him 10 times the salary of their wonder boy Lewis Hamilton, and then favour the rookie!?

If this is the level of common sense these guys have, Ron Dennis would probably never succeed in any business whatsoever, let alone form one of the most successful F1 teams in history. What a joke. The simply fact is Lewis surprised everyone and Alonso wanted 'protection'. Like he always does, wherever he goes. He didn't get it at McLaren, and it was time to throw his toys out of the pram and leave with his tail between his legs. What a disgrace. But I enjoyed it. :hehe:
#228171
Aww really? 2 more points and Lewis would be double WDC going by that theory.

Anyway, what all the people in denial will never be able to answer is my one question: Why would McLaren hire a double WDC and pay him 10 times the salary of their wonder boy Lewis Hamilton, and then favour the rookie!?

If this is the level of common sense these guys have, Ron Dennis would probably never succeed in any business whatsoever, let alone form one of the most successful F1 teams in history. What a joke. The simply fact is Lewis surprised everyone and Alonso wanted 'protection'. Like he always does, wherever he goes. He didn't get it at McLaren, and it was time to throw his toys out of the pram and leave with his tail between his legs. What a disgrace. But I enjoyed it. :hehe:

:clap::clap::clap::clap::clap::clap:
And that is the whole undeniable TRUTH
By Jack Master
#228172
He was very fast and he still is, but he was a rookie in Formula 1 and he displayed it on his entire splendor losing the WDC because he couldn’t cope with pressure at the last races, something he still hasn’t improved.


You don't have to be a rookie to lose a WDC the last race of a season. Two time world champions do that even though they've had tons of time to improve.


Please, don’t be unfair. Lewis headed the championship for 17 points with 20 points left and he scored 0 points because he couldn’t cope with pressure.
The 2010 last five races have shown what a kind of a champion Alonso is. He didn’t win the WDC for anybody’s fault but him.
If you don’t see that is because you didn’t want to do it.


Lewis scored in Brazil, but Whats burning is right, end of the day Alonso lost it at the last race after going in with a lead! All this with 2 titles and numerous seasons under his belt! :rofl:


Although I don't agree with laughing at someone's mistakes or bad luck, I think the point Bud makes has meaning. 6 more points and Fernando would already be a 4 times WDC :-)


Yes, just that far and McLaren also lost the 07 WDC for giving to Lewis the best car.
But as I’ve said before Alonso gives importance to others things apart from just winning.
By Jack Master
#228175
Aww really? 2 more points and Lewis would be double WDC going by that theory.

Anyway, what all the people in denial will never be able to answer is my one question: Why would McLaren hire a double WDC and pay him 10 times the salary of their wonder boy Lewis Hamilton, and then favour the rookie!?

If this is the level of common sense these guys have, Ron Dennis would probably never succeed in any business whatsoever, let alone form one of the most successful F1 teams in history. What a joke. The simply fact is Lewis surprised everyone and Alonso wanted 'protection'. Like he always does, wherever he goes. He didn't get it at McLaren, and it was time to throw his toys out of the pram and leave with his tail between his legs. What a disgrace. But I enjoyed it. :hehe:


Just because they didn’t know he could be so fast. Then they favour the rookie. Off course they didn’t know either how weak he could be under pressure. That’s a double mistake from Uncle Ron. What a pity for everybody.
Otherwise I remember perfectly Lewis in 2007 looking all the time at the telemetry when qualifying. He didn’t make the same with Kovalainen or Button.
Alonso wanted protection? Like he always does? Please, be serious. Take a look at what Briatore and Domenicali have said about Alonso and also at what Martin Witsmart have said recently. He leaved McLaren just because he wanted fresh air not a vicious one. What a disgrace for McLaren.
Just remember how won Hamilton his WDC, just because he overtook an almost stopped Glock when Lewis was driving as a chicken walks under a storm.
By Jack Master
#228177
I think that Mclaren did not favour any driver.


I think you have it exactly Right!


I just can't agree on this point. And it's proved by Ron Dennis' own words: "We weren’t racing Kimi, we were basically racing Fernando.” This put's pay to any thought that, for at least the last two races, Fernando was alone racing Lewis with the complete backing of the whole McLaren team.

I know people justify this by saying Fernando was already known to be leaving the team, and I won't comment the morals of that, but, no-one could possibly claim that, at a bare minimum, for the last two races of the season, McLaren completely favored Lewis.


Remember they had a fair play tsar at Brazil that did not find any favouritism. (imagine if Ferrari had one of them at Germany :rolleyes: )The last two races or so Ron might have had in his mind a fave but that doesnt meant Alonso had any less chance of winning.

And Jack Master has to be a Spaniard, the fact that nation still goes on about the 07 season and their dislike of Lewis shows how deep the hatred is. :wink:


You can’t be serious when you say that Hamilton and Alonso had the same car in Brazil. Since Monaco things became to go wrong and after Hungary the whole team was against Alonso.
That’s just the opposite. I don’t hate anybody, but I find a lot of British people hating Alonso and I suppose that comes from the 2007 McLaren affaire. I’ve wanted to talk about it to try to clarify what happened and to show you, that there are millions of people that like Alonso. Not only in Spain.
#228181
Aww really? 2 more points and Lewis would be double WDC going by that theory.

Anyway, what all the people in denial will never be able to answer is my one question: Why would McLaren hire a double WDC and pay him 10 times the salary of their wonder boy Lewis Hamilton, and then favour the rookie!?

If this is the level of common sense these guys have, Ron Dennis would probably never succeed in any business whatsoever, let alone form one of the most successful F1 teams in history. What a joke. The simply fact is Lewis surprised everyone and Alonso wanted 'protection'. Like he always does, wherever he goes. He didn't get it at McLaren, and it was time to throw his toys out of the pram and leave with his tail between his legs. What a disgrace. But I enjoyed it. :hehe:


Just because they didn’t know he could be so fast. Then they favour the rookie. Off course they didn’t know either how weak he could be under pressure. That’s a double mistake from Uncle Ron. What a pity for everybody.
Otherwise I remember perfectly Lewis in 2007 looking all the time at the telemetry when qualifying. He didn’t make the same with Kovalainen or Button.
Alonso wanted protection? Like he always does? Please, be serious. Take a look at what Briatore and Domenicali have said about Alonso and also at what Martin Witsmart have said recently. He leaved McLaren just because he wanted fresh air not a vicious one. What a disgrace for McLaren.
Just remember how won Hamilton his WDC, just because he overtook an almost stopped Glock when Lewis was driving as a chicken walks under a storm.


I dont know how McLaren can be so confident to support a rookie not knowing how he'll handle the pressure come the end of the season. Taking the dream scenario Alonso fans have in mind...it just doesn't make sense to me. It is so easy for it to go wrong, and go wrong it did. They lost it by a point thanks to all the distractions going around with the Ferrari data (again, instigated by the disgraced ex McLaren driver) and a lousy strategy at the end. They employed the same (hold station) strategy the very next year and very nearly lost it a second time!!

I'm being serious. Wherever he goes, Renault he was being comprehensively outperformed by Trulli until a certain stage, (who can forget the famous Monaco crash when he was chasing Trulli and crashed under the pressure) until Trulli had a fight with Braitore over driver management contracts.

McLaren we know the story. Ferrari, you had a great display of his character in Germany at the press conference. He is in full support of team orders, he likes teammates moving over for him. What do you do at these times, close your eyes and scream with your hands on your ears? Come on, wake up.

Your last line is a classic...berating Lewis' manner of winning the WDC, so what if he barely won it, he could have so easily ditched the car on the last lap, 2nd year running and staring a loss of the WDC by 1 point in the face..but he kept it together and brought the car home to win. Credit where its due mate. :rolleyes:
#228183
I always hear that Lewis was Ron's Favorite.
Every coach has a favorite player,every teacher a favorite student,even a parent has a favorite kid.

So do not :nono::nono: confuse being ''favorite'' with being BLATANTLY #1 driver,move out my way,relinquish 1st place,it's all about me or nothing!


I have heard about a million excuses on FA behalf! :thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:
By Jack Master
#228185
Aww really? 2 more points and Lewis would be double WDC going by that theory.

Anyway, what all the people in denial will never be able to answer is my one question: Why would McLaren hire a double WDC and pay him 10 times the salary of their wonder boy Lewis Hamilton, and then favour the rookie!?

If this is the level of common sense these guys have, Ron Dennis would probably never succeed in any business whatsoever, let alone form one of the most successful F1 teams in history. What a joke. The simply fact is Lewis surprised everyone and Alonso wanted 'protection'. Like he always does, wherever he goes. He didn't get it at McLaren, and it was time to throw his toys out of the pram and leave with his tail between his legs. What a disgrace. But I enjoyed it. :hehe:


Just because they didn’t know he could be so fast. Then they favour the rookie. Off course they didn’t know either how weak he could be under pressure. That’s a double mistake from Uncle Ron. What a pity for everybody.
Otherwise I remember perfectly Lewis in 2007 looking all the time at the telemetry when qualifying. He didn’t make the same with Kovalainen or Button.
Alonso wanted protection? Like he always does? Please, be serious. Take a look at what Briatore and Domenicali have said about Alonso and also at what Martin Witsmart have said recently. He leaved McLaren just because he wanted fresh air not a vicious one. What a disgrace for McLaren.
Just remember how won Hamilton his WDC, just because he overtook an almost stopped Glock when Lewis was driving as a chicken walks under a storm.


I dont know how McLaren can be so confident to support a rookie not knowing how he'll handle the pressure come the end of the season. Taking the dream scenario Alonso fans have in mind...it just doesn't make sense to me. It is so easy for it to go wrong, and go wrong it did. They lost it by a point thanks to all the distractions going around with the Ferrari data (again, instigated by the disgraced ex McLaren driver) and a lousy strategy at the end. They employed the same (hold station) strategy the very next year and very nearly lost it a second time!!

I'm being serious. Wherever he goes, Renault he was being comprehensively outperformed by Trulli until a certain stage, (who can forget the famous Monaco crash when he was chasing Trulli and crashed under the pressure) until Trulli had a fight with Braitore over driver management contracts.

McLaren we know the story. Ferrari, you had a great display of his character in Germany at the press conference. He is in full support of team orders, he likes teammates moving over for him. What do you do at these times, close your eyes and scream with your hands on your ears? Come on, wake up.

Your last line is a classic...berating Lewis' manner of winning the WDC, so what if he barely won it, he could have so easily ditched the car on the last lap, 2nd year running and staring a loss of the WDC by 1 point in the face..but he kept it together and brought the car home to win. Credit where its due mate. :rolleyes:


I believe that the Ferrari data affaire was instigated for Max “bottom on the air “Mosley, because Ron Dennis didn’t support his decisions and him as FIA president. They became enemies and Mosley managed the things as he usually does. He went to the driver and said to him that he could lose his super license unless he told him all the truth, and guaranteed immunity to the driver if he followed his instructions. He wanted damaging McLaren and he did. Next year Ron took revenge showing some drive through penalties on his bottom to the whole world.
When Mosley wanted revenge to Briatore for instigating the Teams rebellion against the new rules he wanted to implement he did the same with Piquet.
Please, don’t try to compare Trulli with Alonso. I think Monaco was his only victory and possibly because Alonso crashed. But it wasn’t a race for the title, Alonso wasn’t under especial pressure. It was just another race and Alonso outperformed Trulli the whole season.
You really don’t know how Fernando is as a person because you receive the information trough the British journalists who, most of them, hate him. He´s a very close person, isn’t arrogant at all and never acts like a prima donna. But if you go to him asking if he’s a piece of s*** you can be sure you’ll receive the appropriate answer.
About the team orders, please don`t be like that. All the teams are used to them. It’s a very hypocritical issue. Remind Lewis and Kovalainen and that they are many other ways to give team orders, just telling that your engine is overheating or something like this.
About Lewis winning the WDC I believe he didn’t know he had won the title until the team told him. What a control of the race he had!
I know you hate Alonso because you have said it before. Maybe your arguments are a little bit biased for that or maybe not. Who knows?
#228187
Jack there was an FIA appointented observer (a joke in itself) to see if there was any favoritism. And guess what he found.... Nothing!

The whole bad blood between fernando and McLaren was the fact Fernando wasn't being favored when in his eyes he should be.


But I agree with DD what was the point of starting a thread about a 3 year old topic? I know it's still high on the agenda in Spain but the rest of us have moved on!

I might start s topic about 88 Prost vs Senna
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