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[Bruno_Brazil]

his driving was mediocre at best at the time anyway.

So was Jenson's especially in the second half of the season, yet he still manage to "scrape" the WDC, wait till next season and Jenson will become Lewis Hamilton's little b1tch

Either way...
the first half- Button - simply flawless
second half - Vettel - But he still had some mistakes.

Overall: Button.

[Gaz]

his driving was mediocre at best at the time anyway.

So was Jenson's especially in the second half of the season, yet he still manage to "scrape" the WDC, wait till next season and Jenson will become Lewis Hamilton's little b1tch

Either way...
the first half- Button - simply flawless
second half - Vettel - But he still had some mistakes.

Overall: Button.

2nd half Hamilton since he scored the most..

[darwin dali]

his driving was mediocre at best at the time anyway.

So was Jenson's especially in the second half of the season, yet he still manage to "scrape" the WDC, wait till next season and Jenson will become Lewis Hamilton's little b1tch

Either way...
the first half- Button - simply flawless
second half - Vettel - But he still had some mistakes.

Overall: Button.

2nd half Hamilton since he scored the most..

Hm, so all of a sudden numbers do matter, eh? See Re: Drivers vote for the best ever thread

You can't go of race wins to view who's the best this is what the F1 drivers think and they think your wrong and so do i.

[texasmr2]

[Gaz]

his driving was mediocre at best at the time anyway.

So was Jenson's especially in the second half of the season, yet he still manage to "scrape" the WDC, wait till next season and Jenson will become Lewis Hamilton's little b1tch

Either way...
the first half- Button - simply flawless
second half - Vettel - But he still had some mistakes.

Overall: Button.

2nd half Hamilton since he scored the most..

Hm, so all of a sudden numbers do matter, eh? See Re: Drivers vote for the best ever thread

You can't go of race wins to view who's the best this is what the F1 drivers think and they think your wrong and so do i.

I'm not going of Race wins tho am i DD?

No i'm going of Points Scored in a Inferior car to the rest of the field making Hamilton the better driver of the latter half of 2009.

[darwin dali]

Wins are numbers, scores are numbers (and wins are part of the scores!) - you can't arbitrarily separate them by looking just at scores to say somebody is the best (as you did in this thread), but then deny the validity of wins as a measure for best performance (as in that quote of yours in the other thread).

[scotty]

Colin Turkington has been the best driver in any form of motorsport this season.

[Gaz]

Wins are numbers, scores are numbers - you can't arbitrarily separate them by looking just at scores to say somebody is the best (as you did in this thread), but then deny the validity of wins as a measure for best performance (as in that quote of yours in the other thread).

Read my post mate, i'm saying a Win/Podium in a Inferior car is worth more than a Win/Podium in the class of the field car.

So i'm not just looking at the numbers.

[texasmr2]

Wins are numbers, scores are numbers - you can't arbitrarily separate them by looking just at scores to say somebody is the best (as you did in this thread), but then deny the validity of wins as a measure for best performance (as in that quote of yours in the other thread).

Read my post mate, i'm saying a Win/Podium in a Inferior car is worth more than a Win/Podium in the class of the field car.

So i'm not just looking at the numbers.

So now the "inferior car" excuse is the new excuse within the flock/herd???

[Gaz]

Wins are numbers, scores are numbers - you can't arbitrarily separate them by looking just at scores to say somebody is the best (as you did in this thread), but then deny the validity of wins as a measure for best performance (as in that quote of yours in the other thread).

Read my post mate, i'm saying a Win/Podium in a Inferior car is worth more than a Win/Podium in the class of the field car.

So i'm not just looking at the numbers.

So now the "inferior car" excuse is the new excuse within the flock/herd???

nice one tex, you don't like being a called a "lamb" but you have no problem suggesting i am one.

Thats called being a Hypocrite.

If you can't say that the Mclaren MP-4/24 was an inferior car to the likes of the Red Bull and the Brawn then you perhaps need to watch Formula 1 2009 again.

[Bruno_Brazil]

But Mclaren was REALLY good when Hamilton got the podium.


Aside Brazil and Singapore(in those races, Hamilton was great indeed.)

[scotty]

If you can't say that the Mclaren MP-4/24 was an inferior car to the likes of the Red Bull and the Brawn then you perhaps need to watch Formula 1 2009 again.

Near the end of the season it was probably better than the Brawn on balance.

And if you want to talk winning in an inferior car, Raikkonen's win was far more impressive in that respect.

[Jensonb]

I don't recall bringing Button into it, but if you all must use that as an excuse to explain how Hamilton's horrendous start to the season can be ignored...

Jenson's first seven races were miles better than the backend of Lewis's season, both in results and in driving. The back end of Button's season was also better than the front end of Lewis's, because JB scored several podiums, had some hard fought races and didn't cheat.

Everyone seems to forget Lewis's hopelessly inept showing in China or the way he threw away a chance at decent points in Monaco by slamming into a barrier because he was pushing too hard.

Jenson Button scored in every race barring one where he was pitched off the road by an inexperienced Frenchman who was thrown in at the deep end by F1's ridiculous 2009 testing regulations. Button's best bits were better, and his low points weren't as low. He had a batter year on average and in extremes.There is no argument which says Hamilton drove a better season.

I'm sorry, I mean no rational argument. But for what it's worth, I'm not gonna say Jenson should have topped that list either, it's not my place - I don't know what was going on in all the other categories. I highly doubt Button's was the best season across all categories, because of the later qualifying screw ups - though credit where it's due, Jenson is the master of the recovery.

But anyway if Hamilton was not the best driver of the season in F1, quite how he can be the best across all categories is beyond me, and calls Autosport's credibility into question. Which is a real shame.

[madbrad]

If you take a closer look at points, you can see points can be utterly irrelevant.
Guys get points from many gifts. Teammate letting you by, teammate blocking for you, teammate crashing out your rival for you, attrition from all manner of sources, using your front wing to cut the tire of the guy in front of you(yes I know I keep bringing that up and I will continue to), other teams letting you by because of agreements made, the skill of your tactician, and many more that you guys can think of. Do you think MS woulld have all those titles if he had to race and fight and sweat and truly beat his opponents on the track for every point he got and had no one else to rely on?

[darwin dali]

Wins are numbers, scores are numbers - you can't arbitrarily separate them by looking just at scores to say somebody is the best (as you did in this thread), but then deny the validity of wins as a measure for best performance (as in that quote of yours in the other thread).

Read my post mate, i'm saying a Win/Podium in a Inferior car is worth more than a Win/Podium in the class of the field car.

So i'm not just looking at the numbers.

That's the post I was commenting on:

his driving was mediocre at best at the time anyway.

So was Jenson's especially in the second half of the season, yet he still manage to "scrape" the WDC, wait till next season and Jenson will become Lewis Hamilton's little b1tch

Either way...
the first half- Button - simply flawless
second half - Vettel - But he still had some mistakes.

Overall: Button.

2nd half Hamilton since he scored the most..

And I read exactly this: 2nd half Hamilton since he scored the most...