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[myownalias]

Bud, I read a different article that didn't mention that the FOTA teams had no say as they weren't entered and I thought they had been entered as they were named on the official entrants list but I still feel walking out instead of fighting your corner smacks of throwing your toys. I believe that all sides involved are being childish; they need to get around a table and thrash things out until a satisfactory compromise can be reached rather than throwing cheap insults at each other in the press. Formula 1 itself is a side issue; it's a plain and simple power struggle so no agreement is likely the be agreed...

[racechick]

Bud, I read a different article that didn't mention that the FOTA teams had no say as they weren't entered and I thought they had been entered as they were named on the official entrants list but I still feel walking out instead of fighting your corner smacks of throwing your toys. I believe that all sides involved are being childish; they need to get around a table and thrash things out until a satisfactory compromise can be reached rather than throwing cheap insults at each other in the press. Formula 1 itself is a side issue; it's a plain and simple power struggle so no agreement is likely the be agreed...

You're talking like Mosely is a reasonable man. He isnt.

[FerrariFan63]

Bud, I read a different article that didn't mention that the FOTA teams had no say as they weren't entered and I thought they had been entered as they were named on the official entrants list but I still feel walking out instead of fighting your corner smacks of throwing your toys. I believe that all sides involved are being childish; they need to get around a table and thrash things out until a satisfactory compromise can be reached rather than throwing cheap insults at each other in the press. Formula 1 itself is a side issue; it's a plain and simple power struggle so no agreement is likely the be agreed...

I don't agree that walking out was the wrong strategy. Point-blank refusal to engage with the FIA while the FIA is involved in evil Max machinations is IMHO the correct strategy. The FIA should come to the teams begging.

[NateDawg80126]

It's obvious that most of you are against the FIA, I don't blame you, Mosley has screwed things up royally and can't humble himself to admit it. That said, I honestly don't see FOTA accomplishing anything by refusing to negotiate either, its completely unprofessional and they deserve as much of the blame as anyone in a situation like this. Another thing to consider... I don't really believe that FOTA is anything more than a typical workers union, you have a bunch of people that want something changed, and you have a ring leader. The ring leader is usually way off the deep end and often times is not speaking the opinions of the workers. Mosley said in the interview below that Flavio Briatore is that man.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TFXLbotOg7Q

In my opinion, Briatore is an arrogant, pompous @ss that will stop at nothing to get what he wants. Not to mention his running history of badmouthing other, often more successful teams and drivers. Oh and lets not forget who the lead the charge to oust the double decker diffusers at the beginning of this season, and when he lost the fight, instead of taking it out on the FIA, he attacks Brawn and its drivers calling Jenson Button a... well it may be best if you read it for yourselves:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/sport/ ... 115532.ece

Too much arrogance in both parties for me to choose the lesser of the two evils so i'll just sit this one out thanks, Williams and Force India surely have room for another conscientious objector.

[myownalias]

Bud, I read a different article that didn't mention that the FOTA teams had no say as they weren't entered and I thought they had been entered as they were named on the official entrants list but I still feel walking out instead of fighting your corner smacks of throwing your toys. I believe that all sides involved are being childish; they need to get around a table and thrash things out until a satisfactory compromise can be reached rather than throwing cheap insults at each other in the press. Formula 1 itself is a side issue; it's a plain and simple power struggle so no agreement is likely the be agreed...

You're talking like Mosely is a reasonable man. He isnt.

And of course; certain members of FOTA; namely John Howett and Flavio Briatore are perfectly reasonable. We know that Howett tried to initiate a walk out in earlier reconciliation meetings and Briatore is well known to have wanted a breakaway series at any cost. I'm at the point now where I just want FOTA to walk and to start rebuilding F1 without them as this constantly bickering is benefiting no-one except the newspapers publishers who are selling more papers!

And the irony is the two troublemakers named above are from teams that may not even be on the grid next year if rumours are to be believed!

[pilotfriend]

As a psychologist, I have always been amazed, considering his background, how Max Mosley has functioned at all. At best, one can state that his personality is 'brittle'. Recent behavior clearly shows that he is suffering from adjustment disorder and is no longer rational.

In laymans terms, these days, he is quite potty!

[billindenver]

Bud, I read a different article that didn't mention that the FOTA teams had no say as they weren't entered and I thought they had been entered as they were named on the official entrants list but I still feel walking out instead of fighting your corner smacks of throwing your toys. I believe that all sides involved are being childish; they need to get around a table and thrash things out until a satisfactory compromise can be reached rather than throwing cheap insults at each other in the press. Formula 1 itself is a side issue; it's a plain and simple power struggle so no agreement is likely the be agreed...

You're talking like Mosely is a reasonable man. He isnt.

And of course; certain members of FOTA; namely John Howett and Flavio Briatore are perfectly reasonable. We know that Howett tried to initiate a walk out in earlier reconciliation meetings and Briatore is well known to have wanted a breakaway series at any cost. I'm at the point now where I just want FOTA to walk and to start rebuilding F1 without them as this constantly bickering is benefiting no-one except the newspapers publishers who are selling more papers!

And the irony is the two troublemakers named above are from teams that may not even be on the grid next year if rumours are to be believed!

The FOTA teams were told that they had no say in the regulations because they were not entered in the series for next year. If the reason for the meeting was to discuss regulations and the teams are told they have no say....what exactly is the point of sitting through the meeting? I would have walked too. It was Max trying to flex some muscle, pure and simple and the teams were simply not having it. I don't blame them at all.

[myownalias]

I say let woman run the FIA and teams... it would probably be sorted over a cup and tea and a scone... instead of all this bullsh*t macho posturing, this situation has gotten out of hand because of the huge ego's in the FIA and within FOTA, this has dragged on for almost three months now, and why? because of a power struggle, FOTA ultimately want unilateral power over the sport while the FIA aren't willing to give that power up! As for the 8 FOTA teams not being entered; why on Earth did Mosley have them on the official entrants list if they hadn't entered into the 2010 championship? I have no idea what is going on in Mosley's mind, he definitely seems to have lost the plot since his son's death! I just want an end to this; FOTA need to breakaway now and leave the FIA to populate the grid with a bunch of Cosworth powered teams and let the best series win.

Looking back on this forum, more words have been typed about the civil war in F1 than the action on the track. F1 is no longer about racing it's about bullsh*t politics. When any sport becomes about money and power more than sport; the sport is dead and it's more about political posturing and power; FORMULA 1 has become a joke formula!!!

[EwanM]

Na it is just the nature of the beast. It is part and parcel of the business.

[bud]

mate the last season where we werent discussing politics over the racing on F1 forums was 2005! but even then there were still political BS events popping up, Indy tyre fiasco, the Grand Prix Manufacturers breakaway, but ever since then it seems Politics has been at the forefront instead of the racing. theres been one constant in all of it, the FIA.

[EwanM]

mate the last season where we werent discussing politics over the racing on F1 forums was 2005! but even then there were still political BS events popping up, Indy tyre fiasco, the Grand Prix Manufacturers breakaway, but ever since then it seems Politics has been at the forefront instead of the racing. theres been one constant in all of it, the FIA.

Always get politics in some sort of way. Whether it is within a team or envolving the governing body. It is a pity that every so often it comes to ahead and spills out.

[EwanM]

FIA: FOTA was aware of observer status

By Pablo Elizalde Thursday, July 9th 2009, 11:57 GMT

Formula 1's ruling body, the FIA, has responded to the FOTA teams, claiming they were aware of the rule-making process when they joined yesterday's meeting.

The eight FOTA teams decided to walk out of the meeting on Wednesday after they were told they could have no input on regulatory discussions.

FOTA was informed they only had an 'observer' status in the process, leading to the teams leaving the meeting and accusing the FIA of putting the sport in jeopardy.

The governing body, however, has responded to FOTA, saying the teams should have known that the unanimous approval of all 13 F1 teams was mandatory.

"Before FOTA's decision to walk out of yesterday's Technical Working Group meeting, the President of the FIA wrote twice to the President of FOTA to remind him that any amendments to the 2010 FIA Formula One World Championship regulations were subject to the unanimous approval of the five teams that had already entered for next season under the rules as published," said the FIA in a statement.

"This is because of the International Sporting Code and also because the entered teams have a contract with the FIA which not even the General Assembly or the World Council can abrogate. Anyone with an elementary knowledge of motor sport governance knows this.

"Imagine the uproar if, after the FOTA teams had entered, the World Council were subsequently to change the rules without asking them.

"It follows that the agreement of the five teams currently entered in the 2010 World Championship to all 2010 rule changes is required.

"To suggest that FOTA were only made aware of this during the meetings of yesterday is quite simply untrue. So is the implicit claim that they were all unaware of one of motor sport's basic principles."

The FOTA teams requested the postponement of the meeting, but the teams' body said it was refused "on the grounds that no new Concorde Agreement would be permitted before a unanimous approval of the 2010 regulations was achieved."

The FIA said on Thursday that it was "probable" that the new deal could be signed in the coming days, suggesting the delay has been caused by FOTA sending a completely new, 350-page, document.

It added that while this wasn't what the governing body had expected, it was optimistic a suitable agreement could ready to be signed soon.

"The deal that the FIA reached with FOTA in Paris was to extend the 1998 Concorde Agreement with some minor amendments to the governance section," the statement added. "This would have put in place an F1 Commission to deal with future rules with any major question going to the FIA Senate.

"However, on 25 June, instead of the 1998 Agreement with some minor amendments, the FIA received 350 pages of a completely new Concorde Agreement.

"It being wholly impractical to involve the Senate in such detailed negotiations, the contract was handed over to FIA lawyers, who worked on it tirelessly over the weekend 27-28 June and gave comments during a three-hour conference call on Monday 29 June. Then the 350 pages of 25 June turned out not to be the final FOTA/FOA version and elements of a new version appeared, partly on 2 July, partly on 3 July.

"Again, FIA lawyers worked over the weekend on 4-5 July, as did FIA President Max Mosley and FIA Deputy President (sport) Nick Craw. Further comments were then given on a three and a half hour lawyers' call on Monday 6 July and again in a conference call yesterday, 8 July, following the circulation of further drafts. Further significant progress was made yesterday evening in yet another conference call.

"At present it seems probable that a final draft of the 2009 Concorde Agreement will be agreed and ready for signature in the coming days."

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/76783

[FerrariFan63]

I say let woman run the FIA and teams...

I will agree to run the FIA and the teams provided that I'm given ultimate, unlimited, power.

But after I've put Mosley in the stocks, I may need some male help to urinate on him.

[stonemonkey]

I say let woman run the FIA and teams...

I will agree to run the FIA and the teams provided that I'm given ultimate, unlimited, power.

But after I've put Mosley in the stocks, I may need some male help to urinate on him.

..... provided that I'm given ultimate, unlimited, power.

and tea and scones.

[darwin dali]

I say let woman run the FIA and teams...

I will agree to run the FIA and the teams provided that I'm given ultimate, unlimited, power.

But after I've put Mosley in the stocks, I may need some male help to urinate on him.

What? You can't take care of business yourself???