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#130260
To overtake you need a slowish corner eg slow chicane or hairpin to bunch the cars up, then a straight, to slip stream, then a slow corner preferably a slow chicane or hairpin. thats is how to increase overtaking. tracks that I think are going to be good overtaking tracks are.

Thats actually incorrect.

Its something that Herman Tilke has done terribly wrong when designing some circuits. Mainly Valencia. Slow corners do bunch the cars up, but it actually means that after the corner, the cars spread out a lot more than they normally would. So we have slow corners creating too much bunching up, and fast corners create to much turbulence. So what you want before a straight is a medium corner. Something like Curve Paul Frere at Spa, or turns 14 and 15 at Sepang.

The best example I can use is Valencia. The idea behind that circuit was to use slow corners before the straights. Valencia has 3 straights with that in mind, but a lot of the overtaking actually happened into the final corner, because the turns leading up to the final corner, turns 18 and 19 where medium corners. This was in GP2 of course. Since there was only one overtake during F1, which also into the final corner.


Anyways, I think overtaking has improved in F1. But its clearly nowhere near enough of an improvement. I personally question whether or not these rear wings are helping at all. To overtake the car in front, you still need to be at least 3 seconds faster. It also doesn't help that the field is so much closer, and that the difference between 1st and 20th is only just over 2secs. Making it difficult for 1st place to even overtake backmarkers.

Overboost in F1 is the way to go in my opinion. It means we can overtaking, without watering down developments in aerodynamics. As its been said before, these aerodynamicsts are so smart, its really quite hard to limit them.
#130261
Its something that Herman Tilke has done terribly wrong when designing some circuits. Mainly Valencia. Slow corners do bunch the cars up, but it actually means that after the corner, the cars spread out a lot more than they normally would. So we have slow corners creating too much bunching up, and fast corners create to much turbulence. So what you want before a straight is a medium corner. Something like Curve Paul Frere at Spa, or turns 14 and 15 at Sepang.

:yes::yes:

Spa is a perfect example of a circuit that is very overtaking-friendly AND aero-reliant at the same time.
#130267
Turbos, manual gearboxes with clutch pedals, no refuelling and hard tyre compounds that could be used for the entire race distance by a smart enough driver, are probably the way to go if you really want to increase overtaking.
#130348
No.
#130398
I don't think overtaking has been improved. Like wise, most of the drivers that uses KERS mostly use it to get a jump at the start (See Ferrari at British GP), and mostly use it to defend their position (i.e. Bahrain)...Using KERS to overtake during the race is something I haven't seen yet.

But all in all, OWG still got work to do I suppose
#130406
I think cars have definitely gotten closer which is a major step forward. The reason why there wasn't alot of overtaking was because they could never get close enough. I was watching the 03 review and dirty air was a huge issue that season. So we have fixed one part of the problem, but there are obviously other things contributing to the lack of overtaking like maybe, the circuits, stewards or maybe even there isn't enough incentive to make a move.

But to be honest overtaking was never really an issue for me.
#130560
The car being sexier? Are you mad? Or just smoking some great green stuff. you are entitled to your opinion, as everyone has there taste of sexy, as i find my fiancée sexy, you could find her a dog? But com'on, small spoiler? Small cars? I like my cars big and loud!

P.s - I do like my woman chubby and loud! Not disgusting chubby, just a little meaty


I'll give you a million euro for each time you find the word Sexy in my post. And to be honest... dont really care how you like your women and wheter or not she's a fox or a dog. So let me make it simpler for you to understand:

I think this yr's car better looking than last yr's except for the front and rear wings.


You really are a twat
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#130569
Turbos, manual gearboxes with clutch pedals, no refuelling and hard tyre compounds that could be used for the entire race distance by a smart enough driver, are probably the way to go if you really want to increase overtaking.


Damn straight if we have the best drivers in the world racing in F1 they should be able to handle changes like that
#130657
Turbos, manual gearboxes with clutch pedals, no refuelling and hard tyre compounds that could be used for the entire race distance by a smart enough driver, are probably the way to go if you really want to increase overtaking.

:yes:
#130889
I do have to say that the Williams this year is miles better looking than the rest and better looking than the car compared on the previous page.
#130949
Overtaking improved? No, not really or at least not to a really noticeable extent.

As for the look of the cars, Blech :vomit:

Last time the cars looked good WAS last century

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I love that car :cloud9:

I prefer Gille's more though, that was B.E.A-UTIFUL :wavey:
#131004
Overtaking at the top pf the grid has declined if i may say so.
I saw more when even Schumacher was dominating even.
Middle grid and end of the grid,meh its okay but not that great either.

Probably agree
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