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[Denthúl]

It seems to me that banning fueling is dumbing the sport down a bit. I rather like the complexity of F1...fuel strategies adds to that and when taken away...leaves us one step closer to running in a circle and changing the name to Formula Nascar.

It also takes away the necessity for certain driver skills. It also makes designing the cars less challenging, in a way.

[darwin dali]

It seems to me that banning fueling is dumbing the sport down a bit. I rather like the complexity of F1...fuel strategies adds to that and when taken away...leaves us one step closer to running in a circle and changing the name to Formula Nascar.

It also takes away the necessity for certain driver skills. It also makes designing the cars less challenging, in a way.

Huh? The opposite is true: OTHER driver skills will be required, other than mindless aggressive charging, but rather race intelligence will be required.
And on the design side: coming up with clever solutions to reduce fuel consumption and maximizing fuel loads w/o compromising aero and grip levels (ballast, etc.) will be an engineering challenge.

[Denthúl]

It seems to me that banning fueling is dumbing the sport down a bit. I rather like the complexity of F1...fuel strategies adds to that and when taken away...leaves us one step closer to running in a circle and changing the name to Formula Nascar.

It also takes away the necessity for certain driver skills. It also makes designing the cars less challenging, in a way.

Huh? The opposite is true: OTHER driver skills will be required, other than mindless aggressive charging, but rather race intelligence will be required.
And on the design side: coming up with clever solutions to reduce fuel consumption and maximizing fuel loads w/o compromising aero and grip levels (ballast, etc.) will be an engineering challenge.

You mis-interpreted what I said.

My comment was in regards to refuelling and fuel strategies, not the opposite

[darwin dali]

It seems to me that banning fueling is dumbing the sport down a bit. I rather like the complexity of F1...fuel strategies adds to that and when taken away...leaves us one step closer to running in a circle and changing the name to Formula Nascar.

It also takes away the necessity for certain driver skills. It also makes designing the cars less challenging, in a way.

Huh? The opposite is true: OTHER driver skills will be required, other than mindless aggressive charging, but rather race intelligence will be required.
And on the design side: coming up with clever solutions to reduce fuel consumption and maximizing fuel loads w/o compromising aero and grip levels (ballast, etc.) will be an engineering challenge.

You mis-interpreted what I said.

My comment was in regards to refuelling and fuel strategies, not the opposite

Explain?

[Denthúl]

It seems to me that banning fueling is dumbing the sport down a bit. I rather like the complexity of F1...fuel strategies adds to that and when taken away...leaves us one step closer to running in a circle and changing the name to Formula Nascar.

It also takes away the necessity for certain driver skills. It also makes designing the cars less challenging, in a way.

Huh? The opposite is true: OTHER driver skills will be required, other than mindless aggressive charging, but rather race intelligence will be required.
And on the design side: coming up with clever solutions to reduce fuel consumption and maximizing fuel loads w/o compromising aero and grip levels (ballast, etc.) will be an engineering challenge.

You mis-interpreted what I said.

My comment was in regards to refuelling and fuel strategies, not the opposite

Explain?

In response to:

I rather like the complexity of F1...fuel strategies adds to that and when taken away

I said:

It also takes away the necessity for certain driver skills.

Because drivers will really need to learn about good tyre-management and won't be able to afford to throw the car around with stupid amounts of aggression. Currently, they can lock their brakes constantly on lighter fuel loads and replace them after 15-20 laps. On heavier loads, they'll destroy them much more quickly.

I also said:

It also makes designing the cars less challenging, in a way.

Because teams will need to find ways of fitting in larger fuel tanks whilst keeping a good, aero-efficient car. They'll also have to work with fuel-consumption issues, as you've stated, and try to make the car a lot more tyre-friendly.

[darwin dali]

It seems to me that banning fueling is dumbing the sport down a bit. I rather like the complexity of F1...fuel strategies adds to that and when taken away...leaves us one step closer to running in a circle and changing the name to Formula Nascar.

It also takes away the necessity for certain driver skills. It also makes designing the cars less challenging, in a way.

Huh? The opposite is true: OTHER driver skills will be required, other than mindless aggressive charging, but rather race intelligence will be required.
And on the design side: coming up with clever solutions to reduce fuel consumption and maximizing fuel loads w/o compromising aero and grip levels (ballast, etc.) will be an engineering challenge.

You mis-interpreted what I said.

My comment was in regards to refuelling and fuel strategies, not the opposite

Explain?

In response to:

I rather like the complexity of F1...fuel strategies adds to that and when taken away

I said:

It also takes away the necessity for certain driver skills.

Because drivers will really need to learn about good tyre-management and won't be able to afford to throw the car around with stupid amounts of aggression. Currently, they can lock their brakes constantly on lighter fuel loads and replace them after 15-20 laps. On heavier loads, they'll destroy them much more quickly.

I also said:

It also makes designing the cars less challenging, in a way.

Because teams will need to find ways of fitting in larger fuel tanks whilst keeping a good, aero-efficient car. They'll also have to work with fuel-consumption issues, as you've stated, and try to make the car a lot more tyre-friendly.

Ah ok, we're in agreement then

[Denthúl]

It seems to me that banning fueling is dumbing the sport down a bit. I rather like the complexity of F1...fuel strategies adds to that and when taken away...leaves us one step closer to running in a circle and changing the name to Formula Nascar.

It also takes away the necessity for certain driver skills. It also makes designing the cars less challenging, in a way.

Huh? The opposite is true: OTHER driver skills will be required, other than mindless aggressive charging, but rather race intelligence will be required.
And on the design side: coming up with clever solutions to reduce fuel consumption and maximizing fuel loads w/o compromising aero and grip levels (ballast, etc.) will be an engineering challenge.

You mis-interpreted what I said.

My comment was in regards to refuelling and fuel strategies, not the opposite

Explain?

In response to:

I rather like the complexity of F1...fuel strategies adds to that and when taken away

I said:

It also takes away the necessity for certain driver skills.

Because drivers will really need to learn about good tyre-management and won't be able to afford to throw the car around with stupid amounts of aggression. Currently, they can lock their brakes constantly on lighter fuel loads and replace them after 15-20 laps. On heavier loads, they'll destroy them much more quickly.

I also said:

It also makes designing the cars less challenging, in a way.

Because teams will need to find ways of fitting in larger fuel tanks whilst keeping a good, aero-efficient car. They'll also have to work with fuel-consumption issues, as you've stated, and try to make the car a lot more tyre-friendly.

Ah ok, we're in agreement then

Definitely so. Anything that makes the sport more challenging will do for me. Well, okay, maybe not anything...

[darwin dali]

It seems to me that banning fueling is dumbing the sport down a bit. I rather like the complexity of F1...fuel strategies adds to that and when taken away...leaves us one step closer to running in a circle and changing the name to Formula Nascar.

It also takes away the necessity for certain driver skills. It also makes designing the cars less challenging, in a way.

Huh? The opposite is true: OTHER driver skills will be required, other than mindless aggressive charging, but rather race intelligence will be required.
And on the design side: coming up with clever solutions to reduce fuel consumption and maximizing fuel loads w/o compromising aero and grip levels (ballast, etc.) will be an engineering challenge.

You mis-interpreted what I said.

My comment was in regards to refuelling and fuel strategies, not the opposite

Explain?

In response to:

I rather like the complexity of F1...fuel strategies adds to that and when taken away

I said:

It also takes away the necessity for certain driver skills.

Because drivers will really need to learn about good tyre-management and won't be able to afford to throw the car around with stupid amounts of aggression. Currently, they can lock their brakes constantly on lighter fuel loads and replace them after 15-20 laps. On heavier loads, they'll destroy them much more quickly.

I also said:

It also makes designing the cars less challenging, in a way.

Because teams will need to find ways of fitting in larger fuel tanks whilst keeping a good, aero-efficient car. They'll also have to work with fuel-consumption issues, as you've stated, and try to make the car a lot more tyre-friendly.

Ah ok, we're in agreement then

Definitely so. Anything that makes the sport more challenging will do for me. Well, okay, maybe not anything...

Yeah, having this kind of grid girls would be a bit too much of a challenge for me

[Rivelution]

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[Bulletproof]

I think banning re-fueling is a terrible idea. It adds a lot of excitement to a race with different strategies etc and by taking away this will remove a major part of modern F1 racing excitement !!!!!

Why don't they just introduce spec refueling systems that all teams have to use at the same cost.

I guarantee it will be a year like when they banned tyre changes, totally crap and it will be changed again the following year.

Uh no. It will be very interesting to watch how some of the current crop's hotshots will deal with this new situation: not only do they have to watch their tires, but now also their fuel consumption. Like in everyday life, if your driving style is too ragged and aggressive you use more fuel and in the case of F1 you might not be able to finish the race or will have to slow down to make it.
Also, the engine that is the most economical will have the advantage to be able to use a smaller fuel tank (with all its implied benefits) and isn't that a good thing and a step towards a greener F1?

Uh, in my opinion yes!


If we get to a situation where a driver who is winning the race could potentially lose his lead because he has to drive "more economical" to make it to the end is ludicrous!!

As for greener F1, freewheeling down the hills will not make for an exciting race!

[Denthúl]

I think banning re-fueling is a terrible idea. It adds a lot of excitement to a race with different strategies etc and by taking away this will remove a major part of modern F1 racing excitement !!!!!

Why don't they just introduce spec refueling systems that all teams have to use at the same cost.

I guarantee it will be a year like when they banned tyre changes, totally crap and it will be changed again the following year.

Uh no. It will be very interesting to watch how some of the current crop's hotshots will deal with this new situation: not only do they have to watch their tires, but now also their fuel consumption. Like in everyday life, if your driving style is too ragged and aggressive you use more fuel and in the case of F1 you might not be able to finish the race or will have to slow down to make it.
Also, the engine that is the most economical will have the advantage to be able to use a smaller fuel tank (with all its implied benefits) and isn't that a good thing and a step towards a greener F1?

Uh, in my opinion yes!


If we get to a situation where a driver who is winning the race could potentially lose his lead because he has to drive "more economical" to make it to the end is ludicrous!!

As for greener F1, freewheeling down the hills will not make for an exciting race!

All I can say to that is, he shouldn't have burned up all his fuel in the first place. This is what will separate the great drivers from the good drivers - the ability to do things like this. Presently, drivers know that they can drive flat-out for the entire race because whenever the fuel gets low, all they have to do is pit. With that safety net taken away, it will force them to think much more about how they drive, when to push and when to bide their time, and how best to manage a situation. If they know that they will be staying out longer than the guy in front, but they're not dropping back, the smart driver would turn his engine down and wait for the guy in front to pit for tyres and then, when he does, turn it back up and put in some quick laps in an attempt to leap-frog. In a similar scenario, the driver behind could stay as close as possible to the driver in front without burning up too much fuel (or his tyres) and wait for tyre wear to come in to play. When the guy in front is losing time because his tyres are worn, the guy behind makes his move.

Altogether, it will promote more strategic thinking on the driver's part, rather than the team's, and generally mean that the driver has to do more throughout a race.

[darwin dali]

Also, the role of slip streaming might increase in order to conserve fuel...

[Jensonb]

Definitely so. Anything that makes the sport more challenging will do for me. Well, okay, maybe not anything...

So my plan for bonus rounds where they drive Karts and shoot brightly coloured Turtle Shells at eachother, some of which explode on impact, would notg et your support?

[McLaren Fan]

I've mixed views on banning refuelling. On one hand, it would be another welcome challenge for the drivers. On the other it would reduce the overall input of the rest of the team in terms of race strategy etc.

I would support the idea if it were part of a wider package of "green" regulations in the sport; i.e., plans to make engines more efficient, run on alternative fuel etc. Until such changes happen in the engine regulations, banning refuelling seems a bit of a lame duck.

[Lordblackstuff]

Erm what? No fuelling? As in...absolutely no fuel intakes at any point during the race?

What the f*** is the point! F1's gone to the dogs.

No, it's back to its roots when there was no refueling and drivers had to make do with the fuel they got at the start of the race. I fondly remember AP pushing his car over the finish line because he was out of fuel

If thats true its going to take the fun out of the sport after all its competitive racing not driving to conserve fuel