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[Gaz]

hmm ferrari are saying they would provide honda with engines and now they may have links with Pergeot and they have been linked to buying out honda.

HMMmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[texasmr2]

Who would not look to the greatest team in F1 for assistance, guidance or support? Also I think this paragraph has been overlooked and basically makes this thread irrelevant.

One of the problems with F1 rule-making is that unless there is a budget cap agreed the teams can spend their money on whatever they like. If they choose to buy in technology the FIA cannot stop them doing that. Williams, for example, bought a stake in a company called Automotive Hybrid Power Ltd in an effort to develop a KERS system quickly and cheaply. McLaren has agreed "a collaborative initiative" with the US automotive electronics company Freescale Semiconductor to develop the next-generation KERS technology, rather than doing the work itself. The Lancashire-based Torotrak company has announced deals with two unnamed F1 teams while former F1 racer Heinz-Harald Frentzen is also pushing for deals for his Lithium Technology Corporation, which provided a KERS system for the Gumpert Apollo sportscar last season.

bud now has the floor.

[Denthúl]

Honestly, if it was true...

...so what? I don't see a problem with that kind of thing and, in fact, I think that any team in a position to test KERS outside of Formula 1 is a good thing. I'm willing to bet that the next set of fast Mercedes, BMW and Toyota (if they do fast?) cars will be equipped with a system similar to those run by the Formula 1 teams. And also, that any regular family car fitted with KERS won't deviate so far from the original design that any feedback on the unit would be totally worthless to them. Williams are probably in the best position of all the teams at the moment. They could implement their KERS in Formula 2 for testing and development. And to be honest, I'm going to think it a little silly of them if they don't try to work that one in there at some point.

Furthermore, isn't the idea of KERS fuelled by the possible use in road car technology? If so, Ferrari would be doing a very good thing by being one of the first to contribute properly to KERS on the roads. My honest opinion of this thread is that you just want to take a stab at Ferrari, but I find your point to be invalid.

[texasmr2]

Finally someone that understands this thread was just another opp by a disgruntled McLaren fan, kudos !

bud you still have the floor when needed or I can lock it due to, fill in the blanks, what say you?

[welshie]

Finally someone that understands this thread was just another opp by a disgruntled McLaren fan, kudos !

bud you still have the floor when needed or I can lock it due to, fill in the blanks, what say you?

[7UpJordan]

Peugeot and Ferrari teaming up... why do I keep getting a feeling Jean Todt is the connection even though he doesn't do anything with Peugeot anymore?

Even by teaming up with them, Ferrari apparently seem to still have a lot of catching up to do before March.

[texasmr2]

[bud]

Finally someone that understands this thread was just another opp by a disgruntled McLaren fan, kudos !

bud you still have the floor when needed or I can lock it due to, fill in the blanks, what say you?

ahh tex youre such a child its amazing youre a mod, oh didnt you quit and do us all a favour? what happened with that?

[scotty]

Erm, wtf? What is wrong with that? Next you'll be saying McLaren's partnership with Mercedes-Benz is out of order too...

[EwanM]

Erm, wtf? What is wrong with that? Next you'll be saying McLaren's partnership with Mercedes-Benz is out of order too...

Certainly Ferrari are 'bending the rules' or so to speak, but it isn't illegal for them to do it. They've just thought of it before anyone else did.
Partnerships aren't uncommon, yes it is unsporting if Peugoet do help them develop kers, but surely other teams will then seek other opportunities.

Seriously Ferrari must be totally duck with KERS - its the 1989 Semi-Automatic Gearbox all over again!

[bud]

Erm, wtf? What is wrong with that? Next you'll be saying McLaren's partnership with Mercedes-Benz is out of order too...

bypassing a testing agreement by track testing a system with another car make is fine by you ?
Anyways as reported Ferrari are denying it's true, let's hope so!

[Gaz]

Erm, wtf? What is wrong with that? Next you'll be saying McLaren's partnership with Mercedes-Benz is out of order too...

it would be if merc said "were enterting the lemans series"

then Mclaren said "were putting our KERS in Merc's Lemans car"

that what ferrari are doing there testing a component for their car in a diffrent series in order get data from it which is an unfair advantage above the other teams.

FIA will prob turn a blind eye

[McLaren Fan]

There is a fine line between what is and is not morally right in these circumstances. And I use the word morally deliberately. It is only legal that the teams themselves may not test during the testing ban, but only morally right that their second and third parties cannot test during the testing ban. The finger has to be pointed at the FIA - again - for they have made rules which can easily be circumvented. Even the idea of budget caps probably won't solve anything, for research and development etc. could be passed on to second and third parties etc. I have no problem with teams seeking outside help. As has been said, lot's of other teams have been doing similar things. If Ferrari want to work something out with Peugeot, fair enough. However, I would hope for the sake of sportsmanship, FOTA and for fear of another rift developing in Formula One and its fans that Ferrari and the other teams do not try and circumvent the testing ban, especially by running KERS in other racing series.

[Denthúl]

Honestly, I wouldn't see a problem with teams running their KERS systems in other race categories and, in fact, would encourage it for the sake of its development. The only purpose of the testing ban is to cut costs in Formula 1, right? Well, other teams buying their KERS units would enhance testing, allowing them to create good, reliable systems much quicker and, crucially, would generate extra income that some of the teams need to stay in the sport.

McLaren-Mercedes should put the unit in DTM. Williams should put theirs in Formula 2. Honda should put theirs into the IRL. Toyota/Honda should put systems in to Formula Nippon, too.

[EwanM]

Honestly, I wouldn't see a problem with teams running their KERS systems in other race categories and, in fact, would encourage it for the sake of its development. The only purpose of the testing ban is to cut costs in Formula 1, right? Well, other teams buying their KERS units would enhance testing, allowing them to create good, reliable systems much quicker and, crucially, would generate extra income that some of the teams need to stay in the sport.

McLaren-Mercedes should put the unit in DTM. Williams should put theirs in Formula 2. Honda should put theirs into the IRL. Toyota/Honda should put systems in to Formula Nippon, too.

It's a good idea Denthul, but one which can't be achieved in this economic climate.
For example, F2 is meant to be a cheap rate series, adding KERs would seriously scupper that idea.