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[cap-dude]

Not Red Bull. Sorry, but they just haven't proved themselves at all.
I'm not sure were Ferrari stand though. They seem behind in KERS, and they seem to be behind in overall development a bit. Teams like Toyota, McLaren and BMW seem more on top of things.

I think Renault, BMW and McLaren may be the ones fighting for the title. Or who knows, maybe Honda aren't taking crap, and can still build something able to fight at the front. Now that would be a surprise.

But surprise of the year. I doubt anyone could've guessed anything that happened in 2008. So my guess is as good as anyones. We really won't know till Australia.

[bud]

People have been saying for several years now that Toyota, Williams, Red Bull and Renault are capable of springing surprises; so if any of them do fairly well next season, I'm not sure it can really be called a surprise.

I'd be genuinely surprised if Williams excels next year - even if their car was great, their drivers are not really and they lack experience in race craft running in front of the field.

you saying Naki and Nico made their way into F1 without learning front running race craft?

[darwin dali]

People have been saying for several years now that Toyota, Williams, Red Bull and Renault are capable of springing surprises; so if any of them do fairly well next season, I'm not sure it can really be called a surprise.

I'd be genuinely surprised if Williams excels next year - even if their car was great, their drivers are not really and they lack experience in race craft running in front of the field.

you saying Naki and Nico made their way into F1 without learning front running race craft?

Nope, but they haven't had much practice at the F1 level, now did they?

[AKR]

Ferrari, they're hiding something alright.

[bud]

People have been saying for several years now that Toyota, Williams, Red Bull and Renault are capable of springing surprises; so if any of them do fairly well next season, I'm not sure it can really be called a surprise.

I'd be genuinely surprised if Williams excels next year - even if their car was great, their drivers are not really and they lack experience in race craft running in front of the field.

you saying Naki and Nico made their way into F1 without learning front running race craft?

Nope, but they haven't had much practice at the F1 level, now did they?

race craft is the same no matter what level of car you drive!

[darwin dali]

People have been saying for several years now that Toyota, Williams, Red Bull and Renault are capable of springing surprises; so if any of them do fairly well next season, I'm not sure it can really be called a surprise.

I'd be genuinely surprised if Williams excels next year - even if their car was great, their drivers are not really and they lack experience in race craft running in front of the field.

you saying Naki and Nico made their way into F1 without learning front running race craft?

Nope, but they haven't had much practice at the F1 level, now did they?

race craft is the same no matter what level of car you drive!

Plus, you miss my point - they haven't been in the situation for years, they're prone to make big or small mistakes that throws them back and they can't string together an entire winning season.

[texasmr2]

Ferrari, they're hiding something alright.

Dats right!!!

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Still alittle drunk and fiesty from last night .

[darwin dali]

Still alittle drunk and fiesty from last night .

Then go back to bed and sleep it off

[EwanM]

Alone? Surely not on New Years Day.

Just have another drink. Go On...

[EwanM]

People have been saying for several years now that Toyota, Williams, Red Bull and Renault are capable of springing surprises; so if any of them do fairly well next season, I'm not sure it can really be called a surprise.

I'd be genuinely surprised if Williams excels next year - even if their car was great, their drivers are not really and they lack experience in race craft running in front of the field.

you saying Naki and Nico made their way into F1 without learning front running race craft?

Nope, but they haven't had much practice at the F1 level, now did they?

race craft is the same no matter what level of car you drive!

Plus, you miss my point - they haven't been in the situation for years, they're prone to make big or small mistakes that throws them back and they can't string together an entire winning season.

Rosberg can win if given the car.
Surely he needs to be given the benefit of the doubt to see if he could mount a challenge for a season.
Heck this time last year if you said Massa would challenge for the title, i'd have laughed in your face, then some more, then walked away... laughing.

[darwin dali]

People have been saying for several years now that Toyota, Williams, Red Bull and Renault are capable of springing surprises; so if any of them do fairly well next season, I'm not sure it can really be called a surprise.

I'd be genuinely surprised if Williams excels next year - even if their car was great, their drivers are not really and they lack experience in race craft running in front of the field.

you saying Naki and Nico made their way into F1 without learning front running race craft?

Nope, but they haven't had much practice at the F1 level, now did they?

race craft is the same no matter what level of car you drive!

Plus, you miss my point - they haven't been in the situation for years, they're prone to make big or small mistakes that throws them back and they can't string together an entire winning season.

Rosberg can win if given the car.
Surely he needs to be given the benefit of the doubt to see if he could mount a challenge for a season.
Heck this time last year if you said Massa would challenge for the title, i'd have laughed in your face, then some more, then walked away... laughing.

I did say that FM will fight for the title

[EwanM]

Well i'm saying Nico could fight for the title if given the car.

[bud]

Plus, you miss my point - they haven't been in the situation for years, they're prone to make big or small mistakes that throws them back and they can't string together an entire winning season.

Race craft is instinctual they wont forget it, Nico won the 05 GP2 title which wasnt too long ago.

[darwin dali]

Plus, you miss my point - they haven't been in the situation for years, they're prone to make big or small mistakes that throws them back and they can't string together an entire winning season.

Race craft is instinctual they wont forget it, Nico won the 05 GP2 title which wasnt too long ago.

There are very brainy, technical and strategic components to race craft that are not instinctual and that differ between race category or even within a race category between different years.

[cap-dude]

Well to be honest, if Nico has a Williams that's fast enough to completely dominant races. I think a lights to flag victory shouldn't be a problem. What could go wrong. The only thing that could wrong is that he spins whilst in the lead. Not likely.

But that's considering Williams were actually right about this so called, 3 seconds faster KERS.