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[Rivelution]

I think it is very fair. Cracks me up that the Hamilton fans cant accept it though.

Alonso won 2 races which came down to luck,while Ferrari and McLaren were in the pressure cooker of the title fight Renault were not! sure in the last 6 races alonso might habe scored more but why not include the last 7, 8 or even the last 9 races? There in lies what's important and at the end of the day who was the best driver over the whole season, the one with the most points!

You can't have it both ways: either you go with the most points/championships to decide who's the best driver (LH this season and MS in all of F1 history) or you factor in other qualities as well to come to a more differentiated picture (AS and MS, e.g., or as FB just did a comparison between FA and MS and I'd say in both cases MS comes out on top). Isn't that usually your line of reasoning when claiming AS's superiority?!?

Well said!! (Well except I think AS is better than MS) I think Hammy was better than Alonso in 07, but not in 08.

[AKR]

I think it is very fair. Cracks me up that the Hamilton fans cant accept it though.

Alonso won 2 races which came down to luck,while Ferrari and McLaren were in the pressure cooker of the title fight Renault were not! sure in the last 6 races alonso might habe scored more but why not include the last 7, 8 or even the last 9 races? There in lies what's important and at the end of the day who was the best driver over the whole season, the one with the most points!

Lewis Hamilton is a farse. He doesn't deserve to be World Champion and only won by sheer luck. Alonso didn't win his 2 titles by luck nor the 2 races he won in an inferior car in 2008. Lewis Hamilton would of won nothing had he not driven for a team like McLaren or Ferrari for that matter. Alonso proved otherwise. Yes we Italians are correct to state that Alonso was the best driver of 2008.

[bud]

I think it is very fair. Cracks me up that the Hamilton fans cant accept it though.

Alonso won 2 races which came down to luck,while Ferrari and McLaren were in the pressure cooker of the title fight Renault were not! sure in the last 6 races alonso might habe scored more but why not include the last 7, 8 or even the last 9 races? There in lies what's important and at the end of the day who was the best driver over the whole season, the one with the most points!

You can't have it both ways: either you go with the most points/championships to decide who's the best driver (LH this season and MS in all of F1 history) or you factor in other qualities as well to come to a more differentiated picture (AS and MS, e.g., or as FB just did a comparison between FA and MS and I'd say in both cases MS comes out on top). Isn't that usually your line of reasoning when claiming AS's superiority?!?

what are you on about? what has this got to do with Senna? we are talking about a SEASON not careers here! IM SAYING ITS STUPID TO ONLY SELECT 6 RACES IN A SEASON AND USE THEM AS EVIDENCE TO SAY WHO DID A BETTER JOB WHEN YOU TOTALLY DISREGARD THE PREVIOUS 12!
not very scientific thinking DD, would have thought higher from you!


oh AKR nice of you to add something new for a change

[AKR]

I think it is very fair. Cracks me up that the Hamilton fans cant accept it though.

Alonso won 2 races which came down to luck,while Ferrari and McLaren were in the pressure cooker of the title fight Renault were not! sure in the last 6 races alonso might habe scored more but why not include the last 7, 8 or even the last 9 races? There in lies what's important and at the end of the day who was the best driver over the whole season, the one with the most points!

You can't have it both ways: either you go with the most points/championships to decide who's the best driver (LH this season and MS in all of F1 history) or you factor in other qualities as well to come to a more differentiated picture (AS and MS, e.g., or as FB just did a comparison between FA and MS and I'd say in both cases MS comes out on top). Isn't that usually your line of reasoning when claiming AS's superiority?!?

what are you on about? what has this got to do with Senna? we are talking about a SEASON not careers here! IM SAYING ITS STUPID TO ONLY SELECT 6 RACES IN A SEASON AND USE THEM AS EVIDENCE TO SAY WHO DID A BETTER JOB WHEN YOU TOTALLY DISREGARD THE PREVIOUS 12!
not very scientific thinking DD, would have thought higher from you!


oh AKR nice of you to add something new for a change

Dobro oops in English I mean Good. And incase you misheard, I will say it again. Lewis Hamilton is a farse. He is crap. Alonso is better. The ITALIAN media are 100 percent correct and unbiased as Alonso is not Italian and they voted him number one. Now I have a second half off football to watch, A-League Queensland versus Wellington to watch and then a nap as later big games are on. Newcastle Versus Liverpool followed by Fullham versus Chelsea. I love holidays because holidays equals football, plus more football plus even more football....... and that is real football by the way Bud. Real like ALonso is a really good driver and Lewis Hamilton isn't.

[Rivelution]

I think it is very fair. Cracks me up that the Hamilton fans cant accept it though.

Alonso won 2 races which came down to luck,while Ferrari and McLaren were in the pressure cooker of the title fight Renault were not! sure in the last 6 races alonso might habe scored more but why not include the last 7, 8 or even the last 9 races? There in lies what's important and at the end of the day who was the best driver over the whole season, the one with the most points!

You can't have it both ways: either you go with the most points/championships to decide who's the best driver (LH this season and MS in all of F1 history) or you factor in other qualities as well to come to a more differentiated picture (AS and MS, e.g., or as FB just did a comparison between FA and MS and I'd say in both cases MS comes out on top). Isn't that usually your line of reasoning when claiming AS's superiority?!?

what are you on about? what has this got to do with Senna? we are talking about a SEASON not careers here! IM SAYING ITS STUPID TO ONLY SELECT 6 RACES IN A SEASON AND USE THEM AS EVIDENCE TO SAY WHO DID A BETTER JOB WHEN YOU TOTALLY DISREGARD THE PREVIOUS 12!
not very scientific thinking DD, would have thought higher from you!


oh AKR nice of you to add something new for a change

What she is trying to say is that you "rubbish" this ranking because 'statistically' Hamilton was the best driver of the season. Yet when we talk about 'who is the best F1 driver' someone always says that Schumacher is the best driver ever because statistically he had most wins, most titles, etc. And you come along claiming stats dont matter its 'how good you were' and 'his opposition' and he had an inferior car unlike Schuey who had the best in the field by miles, yet here we are talking about best driver of the season and you are going against your arguement that you use to defend Senna as the best F1 driver. THATS what DD is saying, but of course we dont know anything and your opinion is always right.

[Rivelution]

I think it is very fair. Cracks me up that the Hamilton fans cant accept it though.

Alonso won 2 races which came down to luck,while Ferrari and McLaren were in the pressure cooker of the title fight Renault were not! sure in the last 6 races alonso might habe scored more but why not include the last 7, 8 or even the last 9 races? There in lies what's important and at the end of the day who was the best driver over the whole season, the one with the most points!

Lewis Hamilton is a farse. He doesn't deserve to be World Champion and only won by sheer luck. Alonso didn't win his 2 titles by luck nor the 2 races he won in an inferior car in 2008. Lewis Hamilton would of won nothing had he not driven for a team like McLaren or Ferrari for that matter. Alonso proved otherwise. Yes we Italians are correct to state that Alonso was the best driver of 2008.

There needs to be a smilie that shows someone talking out of their arse.

[bud]

Rive can you read? I am saying you can't just use 6 races to judge who was the best in 18 races! Which is what this paper did!


But if calling me out and trying to turn s*** around on what ive said about Senna makes you feel good keep it up!

[AKR]

I think it is very fair. Cracks me up that the Hamilton fans cant accept it though.

Alonso won 2 races which came down to luck,while Ferrari and McLaren were in the pressure cooker of the title fight Renault were not! sure in the last 6 races alonso might habe scored more but why not include the last 7, 8 or even the last 9 races? There in lies what's important and at the end of the day who was the best driver over the whole season, the one with the most points!

Lewis Hamilton is a farse. He doesn't deserve to be World Champion and only won by sheer luck. Alonso didn't win his 2 titles by luck nor the 2 races he won in an inferior car in 2008. Lewis Hamilton would of won nothing had he not driven for a team like McLaren or Ferrari for that matter. Alonso proved otherwise. Yes we Italians are correct to state that Alonso was the best driver of 2008.

There needs to be a smilie that shows someone talking out of their arse.

No I am talking out of my arse. Lewis Hamilton is scum. Alonso is better as are most of the other drivers out there who have proven themselves by for starters doing their time.

[Kiwi_Chris]

I think it is very fair. Cracks me up that the Hamilton fans cant accept it though.

Alonso won 2 races which came down to luck,while Ferrari and McLaren were in the pressure cooker of the title fight Renault were not! sure in the last 6 races alonso might habe scored more but why not include the last 7, 8 or even the last 9 races? There in lies what's important and at the end of the day who was the best driver over the whole season, the one with the most points!

Lewis Hamilton is a farse. He doesn't deserve to be World Champion and only won by sheer luck. Alonso didn't win his 2 titles by luck nor the 2 races he won in an inferior car in 2008. Lewis Hamilton would of won nothing had he not driven for a team like McLaren or Ferrari for that matter. Alonso proved otherwise. Yes we Italians are correct to state that Alonso was the best driver of 2008.

There needs to be a smilie that shows someone talking out of their arse.

No I am talking out of my arse. Lewis Hamilton is scum. Alonso is better as are most of the other drivers out there who have proven themselves by for starters doing their time.

Gee AKR tell us how you really feel, Alonso is a sulking primadonna who had the capability of going down as one of the greats but instead decided to throw his toys out of the cot when he was at Mclaren.
There were a few times during the year when he gave up during a GP if things wernt going his way, and really his wins were down to luck and bad decsions from other teams as opposed to him showing off any real skill.
I dont think Lewis was the driver of the year, Massa did a solid job most of the year but really drivers like Kubica and Glock deserve a lot of praise for their efforts.

oh and AKR im sure if Lewis was in the red car you would be salavating over him so called 'fans' such as yourself can really take the shine of the discussions here at times

[Gaz]

You can't say Alonso would of been champion if he was in a ferrari the pressure might of got to him.

He was in the best car in 2007 and he lost to a rookie.

Hamilton is better than Alonso overall based on 07 and 08

No he isn't. Alonso is better and thus the what the Italian "La Gazzetta dello Sport" says is 100 percent correct without a doubt. And unlike your British papers/press that are so biased towards their own Lewis Hamilton, ie Auto Sport, Alonso is not Italian so thus the assessment is not biased. Alonso is the best driver and had he driven for Ferrari, then he would be world champion. In 2007, I wouldn't really say that Lewis Hamilton winning over Alonso on equal points is anything to rave about, plus McLaren always gave Lewis Hamilton the better treatment. And don't worry I read that book, "Lewis Hamilton, My Story". Lewis Hamilton sure talks up a lot of shiit in it. I bet if Alonso wrote a book about his 2007 McLaren experience a complete different and more accurate story would emerge.

Autosport isn't bias AKR for a start 2ndly it is a big deal because he was a rookie

[bud]

I think it is very fair. Cracks me up that the Hamilton fans cant accept it though.

Alonso won 2 races which came down to luck,while Ferrari and McLaren were in the pressure cooker of the title fight Renault were not! sure in the last 6 races alonso might habe scored more but why not include the last 7, 8 or even the last 9 races? There in lies what's important and at the end of the day who was the best driver over the whole season, the one with the most points!

Lewis Hamilton is a farse. He doesn't deserve to be World Champion and only won by sheer luck. Alonso didn't win his 2 titles by luck nor the 2 races he won in an inferior car in 2008. Lewis Hamilton would of won nothing had he not driven for a team like McLaren or Ferrari for that matter. Alonso proved otherwise. Yes we Italians are correct to state that Alonso was the best driver of 2008.

There needs to be a smilie that shows someone talking out of their arse.

No I am talking out of my arse. Lewis Hamilton is scum. Alonso is better as are most of the other drivers out there who have proven themselves by for starters doing their time.

you agree youre talking out of your arse?

one thing is certain you FEEEEAAAR Hamilton

[cap-dude]

Actually, Alonso's win in singapore was pure luck. He just randomly happened to be on the perfect strategy strategy. That race turned out to be a complete lottery in the end. Fuji on the other hand, he drove a fantastic race, but still, there was the help factor of Massa and Lewis being sent to the back of the field, a lazy Kimi, and a Heikki with a broken car.
All the same, its the fact that Alonso always got the best out of the car, and didn't make stupid mistakes, that brought him those wins, and he deserved them for those reasons.

The only bad races Alonso really had were Monaco and Canada. Where as the two fighting for the championship were tripping over each other constantly. Personally I think Vettel deserves to be at the top though. But thats just me. Many people find it hard to appoint a driver in a mid field car, driver of the year, over a world champion.

[scotty]

Kubica should have been in the top 3 at least, he made no mistakes and was quick in nearly every race...

[Jabberwocky]

"but in the last six Grand Prix no-one scored more points than him," the publication said of the 27-year-old.

Or you could say Hamilton because over 18 races he score the most points!!!!

Except Renault wasn't competitive in the first half of the season - remember FA brings 0.6 s to the team

Sorry, I do not think I made it clear by what I meant. How about saying Kubica was the best driver of 08 as he scored the most points in the first 7 rounds.
What I am saying is that short of putting every driver in an identical car then you can no say who the best driver is/was

[EwanM]

You make your own luck in Formula One.
Sure in Japan Alonso was helped by the first corner antics, BUT he still had to put in a hell of stint to beat Raikkonen and Kubica during the pitstop. Thats making your own luck.

I don't rank the drivers, but If I did, i'd say it would be foolish to not mention Kubica.