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[csrracer]

I do want to point out one little thing that really disturbs me.
When cars were pitting for dry tires in the beginning of the race, the track was still so wet at some parts that you couldn´t see anything from the T-Cam at all, but STILL those drivers made better laptimes......In the end the track wasn´t even wet, there was a clear view(only a few drops) on the T-Cam and I really can´t see why the 2 Tototas were doing so bad......Seems to me that something isn´t right here. If a driver is the key player in the championship battle so to say than why doesn´t the media want to talk anything about him??

Absolute Rubbish, To think you fanatical Ferrari fans continue to deny any sort of FIA bias to Ferrari, and for the past few months have done nothing but put down Hamilton and Mclaren fans saying we are all a bunch of winers, now come up with a Mclaren/Toyota conspiracy. GIVE ME A BREAK. GROW UP. LEWIS beat Ferrari, Massa and some bad calls by race stewards to win the championship, just deal with it and move on. That's what we were told to do by the Tifosti
after the steward were passing out undeserved points to Massa.

[m00g]

70 laps worth of rubber on the track combined with rain and dry tyres. Easy to see why you'd get slower lap times really. Especially given that going half an inch off the racing line would make the car extremely difficult to control and Glock definitely went off the racing line and was all over the shop coming up the hill to the pit straight. And being off the racing line, in the wet, on dry tyres probably made it extremely difficult to get any traction going up the hill...hence why he was so slow and four cars passed him before the final corner. Same thing with Trulli...his last lap was woefully slow too.

Conditions conspired against Glock as opposed to Glock conspiring against Massa or with Hamilton.

[csrracer]

I do want to point out one little thing that really disturbs me.
When cars were pitting for dry tires in the beginning of the race, the track was still so wet at some parts that you couldn´t see anything from the T-Cam at all, but STILL those drivers made better laptimes......In the end the track wasn´t even wet, there was a clear view(only a few drops) on the T-Cam and I really can´t see why the 2 Tototas were doing so bad......Seems to me that something isn´t right here. If a driver is the key player in the championship battle so to say than why doesn´t the media want to talk anything about him??

you do realise how much more rubber would have been put down on the track by the end of the race compared to the start of the race. water plus rubbered in track = slippery

And that rubber came to affect 2 drivers only on the last laps of the race?
Dude you really need to study some more about rubber

Once again if you have never tried to drive a race car on slicks in the wet, then you personally don't know how fast your handling and braking go away. It's a very scary situation when your inputs to your car are merely a suggestion and your car does whatever it wants. You become extremely dangerous when you have no control of your car anymore and the best thing to do is stay out of everyone's way. Glock knew this he's a professional race car driver, YOU don't know know this you are a bench racer.

[csrracer]

I am not an avid formula 1 fan - just a layperson who supports Britain in sport so correct me if I am wrong. Why should Vettel do fine with his tyres but not Glock in the last stages of the race? Again, I may have been seeing things but didn't Glock run wide when Hamilton passed him? Again I am probably wrong but even if one is losing grip in the wet is it not ones's duty as a driver to be as difficult to pass as possible in order to be fair to everyone? In a crucial situation when one is slipping all over the place shouldn't one do ones best to obstruct the ones behind you and thus stay as close to the race line as possible? There is no suggestion of any foul play - just madness by everyone! Poor old Massa!

You are not a fan and don't what you are talking about, save your theories for the water cooler at work. Vettel and everyone else, but the 2 Toyotas were on wet tires Glock was on slicks. Slicks + Rain = NO TRACTION. Do you really think it's a smart idea to try to block someone going that much faster than you? It would be dangerous, Stupid, and against the rules..... Learn more about F1 before you post other people won't be so nice.

[antontordy]

Once again if you have never tried to drive a race car on slicks in the wet, then you personally don't know how fast your handling and braking go away. It's a very scary situation when your inputs to your car are merely a suggestion and your car does whatever it wants. You become extremely dangerous when you have no control of your car anymore and the best thing to do is stay out of everyone's way. Glock knew this he's a professional race car driver, YOU don't know know this you are a bench racer.csrracer

Can't agree. Formula 1 wants its cake and eat it It's too obsessed with health any safety! They want to earn millions without any risk! If you are losing it in the final stages of the race youhave a duty to the ethos of racing to maintain your line and not run wide. Things are so safe now that even if there had been a crash, noone probably would have been hurt.

[csrracer]

I do want to point out one little thing that really disturbs me.
When cars were pitting for dry tires in the beginning of the race, the track was still so wet at some parts that you couldn´t see anything from the T-Cam at all, but STILL those drivers made better laptimes......In the end the track wasn´t even wet, there was a clear view(only a few drops) on the T-Cam and I really can´t see why the 2 Tototas were doing so bad......Seems to me that something isn´t right here. If a driver is the key player in the championship battle so to say than why doesn´t the media want to talk anything about him??

you do realise how much more rubber would have been put down on the track by the end of the race compared to the start of the race. water plus rubbered in track = slippery

And that rubber came to affect 2 drivers only on the last laps of the race?
Dude you really need to study some more about rubber

It does effect the 2 drivers still on dry tires on a wet track, were you watching the same race?

Once again if you have never tried to drive a race car on slicks in the wet, then you personally don't know how fast your handling and braking go away. It's a very scary situation when your inputs to your car are merely a suggestion and your car does whatever it wants. You become extremely dangerous when you have no control of your car anymore and the best thing to do is stay out of everyone's way. Glock knew this he's a professional race car driver, YOU don't know know this you are a bench racer.

[onelapdown]

Just to get this ABSOLUTELY CLEAR...

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/71970

In the last few laps everyone was on wet tyres except for Button, Barrichello, Fisichella and Sutil who chose extreme wets and the two Toyotas who didn't pit.

[KyrosV]

In the last few laps everyone was on wet tyres except for Button who chose extreme wets and the two Toyotas who didn't pit.

WTF why was button on the extream wets

[csrracer]

Once again if you have never tried to drive a race car on slicks in the wet, then you personally don't know how fast your handling and braking go away. It's a very scary situation when your inputs to your car are merely a suggestion and your car does whatever it wants. You become extremely dangerous when you have no control of your car anymore and the best thing to do is stay out of everyone's way. Glock knew this he's a professional race car driver, YOU don't know know this you are a bench racer.csrracer

Can't agree. Formula 1 wants its cake and eat it It's too obsessed with health any safety! They want to earn millions without any risk! If you are losing it in the final stages of the race youhave a duty to the ethos of racing to maintain your line and not run wide. Things are so safe now that even if there had been a crash, noone probably would have been hurt.

If you have no traction in your car you have no choice but to run wide. If you have never driven a race car on slicks in the wet you do not have a clue as to what you are talking about. If you are stupid enough to think that it's OK for drivers to run into each other on purpose, GO WATCH NASCAR, and stop being a troll.

[antontordy]

If you have no traction in your car you have no choice but to run wide. If you have never driven a race car on slicks in the wet you do not have a clue as to what you are talking about. If you are stupid enough to think that it's OK for drivers to run into each other on purpose, GO WATCH NASCAR, and stop being a troll.

If being objective is being a troll then so be it! By only being a an occasional lay-watcher of formula1 I feel that I am best placed to be unbiased about the whole issue and hence well- placed to give a general man-in-the street view of things and I tell you ... the view is not complimentary. Formula I is a sport with many overpaid primadonners who purport to flirt with risk when statistics state that it is more dangerous for my children to cross our particular street than to drive in Grand Prix racing where there is virtually no serious injury or indeed fatalities these days . There are many more injuries and fatalities in a myriad of other sports purporting to be relatively safe.

As an objective British lay-person watching the grand prix on Sunday, I felt UNHAPPY with the way events unfurled and the explanations given and yet I cannot put my finger on the cause of this dissatisfaction......

[csrracer]

If you have no traction in your car you have no choice but to run wide. If you have never driven a race car on slicks in the wet you do not have a clue as to what you are talking about. If you are stupid enough to think that it's OK for drivers to run into each other on purpose, GO WATCH NASCAR, and stop being a troll.

If being objective is being a troll then so be it! By only being a an occasional lay-watcher of formula1 I feel that I am best placed to be unbiased about the whole issue and hence well- placed to give a general man-in-the street view of things and I tell you ... the view is not complimentary. Formula I is a sport with many overpaid primadonners who purport to flirt with risk when statistics state that it is more dangerous for my children to cross our particular street than to drive in Grand Prix racing where there is virtually no serious injury or indeed fatalities these days . There are many more injuries and fatalities in a myriad of other sports purporting to be relatively safe.

As an objective British lay-person watching the grand prix on Sunday, I felt UNHAPPY with the way events unfurled and the explanations given and yet I cannot put my finger on the cause of this dissatisfaction......

The fact that you don't watch all the time is the reason why you can't understand what happened. Watch the end of the Belgian GP, when Heidfeld comes into the pits to put on wets and everyone else stays on dries, the speed differential was 40 seconds a lap thats more than 1/3 of the track distance per lap. Glock new he didn't have a chance and that's why he let everyone go by. if you watch the end again it's not only Vettel and Hamilton that go by him there were 2 lapped cars that made him look like he was standing still also.

[antontordy]

that's why he let everyone go by.

But surely, surely when so much is at stake one cannot deliberately let anyone go by - that would be artificially influencing the championship and totally contra
to the purist's ethos of racing!

[Gaz]

that's why he let everyone go by.

But surely, surely when so much is at stake one cannot deliberately let anyone go by - that would be artificially influencing the championship and totally contra
to the purist's ethos of racing!

LOL

go cry in a corner and stop making stupid excuse's about why Hamilton Won and Massa lost

[antontordy]

go cry in a corner and stop making stupid excuse's about why Hamilton Won and Massa lost

Having got that off my chest I can now say : "congratualtions Lewis Hamilton and Mclaren!" Irrespective of the controversy, after last years disappointment they deserve their glory!

[racechick]

If you have no traction in your car you have no choice but to run wide. If you have never driven a race car on slicks in the wet you do not have a clue as to what you are talking about. If you are stupid enough to think that it's OK for drivers to run into each other on purpose, GO WATCH NASCAR, and stop being a troll.

If being objective is being a troll then so be it! By only being a an occasional lay-watcher of formula1 I feel that I am best placed to be unbiased about the whole issue and hence well- placed to give a general man-in-the street view of things and I tell you ... the view is not complimentary. Formula I is a sport with many overpaid primadonners who purport to flirt with risk when statistics state that it is more dangerous for my children to cross our particular street than to drive in Grand Prix racing where there is virtually no serious injury or indeed fatalities these days . There are many more injuries and fatalities in a myriad of other sports purporting to be relatively safe.

As an objective British lay-person watching the grand prix on Sunday, I felt UNHAPPY with the way events unfurled and the explanations given and yet I cannot put my finger on the cause of this dissatisfaction......

Err, you prefer red cars???