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[McLaren Fan]

Hamilton did what was expected of him in Belgium. Now, let's just say he hadn't, the FIA contact the team and tell them to tell their drive to give the place back. McLaren did not receive this privilege. Instead, Whiting tells McLaren twice that everything was above board, and then refers the incident to the stewards himself after the race. And, as if that is not enough, who does the "investigating"? Alan Donnelly, Mosley's right-hand man, whose business has the FIA and Ferrari as its clients. Are McLaren fans 'bitter'? Too right we are - and with good reason!

[jackarse]

Point was, that rule was not in the rulebook before the incident (and, to be honest, still isn't - nowhere does it say that you have to give a position back, it just says that you shall not gain any advantage, therefore there are a lot of people who should, according to the actual written rules, have been penalised this season for such).

We know the rule now - dont attack until the next corner. Hamiltons aggresive driving didn't match that of Kimi, he lost on that straight and took a short cut to reduce the advantage compared to what it would of been if he took the right path. If he was unable to use the right path then thats his fault for losing a battle which he turnt into all or nothing.

[Denthúl]

Hamilton did what was expected of him in Belgium. Now, let's just say he hadn't, the FIA contact the team and tell them to tell their drive to give the place back. McLaren did not receive this privilege. Instead, Whiting tells McLaren twice that everything was above board, and then refers the incident to the stewards himself after the race. And, as if that is not enough, who does the "investigating"? Alan Donnelly, Mosley's right-hand man whose business has the FIA and Ferrari as its clients. Are McLaren fans 'bitter'? Too right we - and with good reason!

Well, to be fair to Whiting, he has to report it regardless of whether or not he thinks it was okay if it is an incident that requires any consideration. But yeah, the whole thing was just ridiculous overall. Last year's stewarding team probably wouldn't have reached the same decision as this year's.

[McLaren Fan]

Point was, that rule was not in the rulebook before the incident (and, to be honest, still isn't - nowhere does it say that you have to give a position back, it just says that you shall not gain any advantage, therefore there are a lot of people who should, according to the actual written rules, have been penalised this season for such).

We know the rule now - dont attack until the next corner. Hamiltons aggresive driving didn't match that of Kimi, he lost on that straight and took a short cut to reduce the advantage compared to what it would of been if he took the right path. If he was unable to use the right path then thats his fault for losing a battle which he turnt into all or nothing.

No. You are wrong. The rulebook said give the place back. Hamilton clearly did. Even blind man in vegetative state could have seen Hamilton did this.

[Denthúl]

Point was, that rule was not in the rulebook before the incident (and, to be honest, still isn't - nowhere does it say that you have to give a position back, it just says that you shall not gain any advantage, therefore there are a lot of people who should, according to the actual written rules, have been penalised this season for such).

We know the rule now - dont attack until the next corner. Hamiltons aggresive driving didn't match that of Kimi, he lost on that straight and took a short cut to reduce the advantage compared to what it would of been if he took the right path. If he was unable to use the right path then thats his fault for losing a battle which he turnt into all or nothing.

You are incorrect - it isn't a rule

Point was, that rule was not in the rulebook before the incident (and, to be honest, still isn't - nowhere does it say that you have to give a position back, it just says that you shall not gain any advantage, therefore there are a lot of people who should, according to the actual written rules, have been penalised this season for such).

We know the rule now - dont attack until the next corner. Hamiltons aggresive driving didn't match that of Kimi, he lost on that straight and took a short cut to reduce the advantage compared to what it would of been if he took the right path. If he was unable to use the right path then thats his fault for losing a battle which he turnt into all or nothing.

No. You are wrong. The rulebook said give the place back. Hamilton clearly did. Even blind man in vegetative state could have seen Hamilton did this.

Actually, it didn't. The wording of the rules are such that the FIA could penalise him even if he cut the corner then gave the place back AND let Massa and Heidfeld past him, which is ridiculous. The FIA really need to sit down and put a proper rulebook together.

[jackarse]

Drivers shouldn't be allowed to think ''I will drive to the limit and if it doesn't work out I'll cut chicane'' what should be in their mindset is ''I will drive to the limit BUT I will make sure that I am in the position to stay on the race track at all times''. With the FIA ruling that mindset will be inforced into drivers.

It is like in law - a lot of rulings is to set examples to the rest of society (in this case its the other drivers).

[Rorschach]

Actually, it didn't. The wording of the rules are such that the FIA could penalise him even if he cut the corner then gave the place back AND let Massa and Heidfeld past him, which is ridiculous. The FIA really need to sit down and put a proper rulebook together.

LOL. That is ridiculous. The precedent has been set now. It will be interesting to see how the rule is applied from now on.

[McLaren Fan]

Actually, it didn't. The wording of the rules are such that the FIA could penalise him even if he cut the corner then gave the place back AND let Massa and Heidfeld past him, which is ridiculous. The FIA really need to sit down and put a proper rulebook together.

Yeah, that's true. When you consider all of the silly rules, like going off the track etc., then that would be the case. The unwritten rule - I know, it means nothing - was that you give the place back and that's generally what has been done.

[McLaren Fan]

Actually, it didn't. The wording of the rules are such that the FIA could penalise him even if he cut the corner then gave the place back AND let Massa and Heidfeld past him, which is ridiculous. The FIA really need to sit down and put a proper rulebook together.

LOL. That is ridiculous. The precedent has been set now. It will be interesting to see how the rule is applied from now on.

A lot of dangerous precedents have been set now. Drivers are probably scared to lock their wheels going into the first corner!

[Denthúl]

Actually, it didn't. The wording of the rules are such that the FIA could penalise him even if he cut the corner then gave the place back AND let Massa and Heidfeld past him, which is ridiculous. The FIA really need to sit down and put a proper rulebook together.

Yeah, that's true. When you consider all of the silly rules, like going off the track etc., then that would be the case. The unwritten rule - I know, it means nothing - was that you give the place back and that's generally what has been done.

Indeed, and I agree that such a rule, as unofficial as it was, was generally widely accepted by all of the drivers and, indeed, the stewards. So what changed?

[cap-dude]

It's more than likely that ferrari themselves could be disqualified. It was an honest mistake, well its just a penalty. But if it's deliberate, then Ferrari will most likely be removed from the constructors just like McLaren were last year.

[McLaren Fan]

Actually, it didn't. The wording of the rules are such that the FIA could penalise him even if he cut the corner then gave the place back AND let Massa and Heidfeld past him, which is ridiculous. The FIA really need to sit down and put a proper rulebook together.

Yeah, that's true. When you consider all of the silly rules, like going off the track etc., then that would be the case. The unwritten rule - I know, it means nothing - was that you give the place back and that's generally what has been done.

Indeed, and I agree that such a rule, as unofficial as it was, was generally widely accepted by all of the drivers and, indeed, the stewards. So what changed?

Hamilton and McLaren started to pull away in the title race.

[Denthúl]

It's more than likely that ferrari themselves could be disqualified. It was an honest mistake, well its just a penalty. But if it's deliberate, then Ferrari will most likely be removed from the constructors just like McLaren were last year.

I don't think that would be the case. See the aftermath of Jerez '97

[Rorschach]

Drivers shouldn't be allowed to think ''I will drive to the limit and if it doesn't work out I'll cut chicane'' what should be in their mindset is ''I will drive to the limit BUT I will make sure that I am in the position to stay on the race track at all times''. With the FIA ruling that mindset will be inforced into driving.

It is like in law - a lot of rulings is to set examples to the rest of society (in this case its the other drivers).

You really want that rule to applied in that way? Think about it. Drivers over egg the pudding often - they are racing on the ragged edge after all. A mistake is a mistake but if the rule was applied as you'd like it then half the drivers would be penalised every other race. KR himself would have been penalised as he went off the track, and fortunately for him gained good traction, at Spa himself after going in to a corner with far too much speed. It was a mistake though - under your interpretation he'd have been given a drive through or 25 second add on.

[Denthúl]

Drivers shouldn't be allowed to think ''I will drive to the limit and if it doesn't work out I'll cut chicane'' what should be in their mindset is ''I will drive to the limit BUT I will make sure that I am in the position to stay on the race track at all times''. With the FIA ruling that mindset will be inforced into driving.

It is like in law - a lot of rulings is to set examples to the rest of society (in this case its the other drivers).

You really want that rule to applied in that way? Think about it. Drivers over egg the pudding often - they are racing on the ragged edge after all. A mistake is a mistake but if the rule was applied as you'd like it then half the drivers would be penalised every other race. KR himself would have been penalised as he went off the track, and fortunately for him gained good traction, at Spa himself after going in to a corner with far too much speed. It was a mistake though - under your interpretation he'd have been given a drive through or 25 second add on.

They'll just end up breaking out the Scalextric kits.