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By 7UpJordan
#69461
I think Lewis has been brainwashed by James Allen's continuous-and-never-ending comparisons between himself and Ayrton. :confused:
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By racechick
#69469
I hope he knew he was up there before James allen opened his mouth!!
#69470
Well, this is a very serious charge, so without proper evidence for the existence of these comments, never mind their context, I'll not be taking them into consideration.



Seriously? You really can't picture him saying that? He has been directly quoted saying many things that are damn near exactly that. Compared himself to Senna in the past, as well as Schumacher. His ego needs so much stroking, he is constantly stroking it himself. This is no surprise. This is not the first time he has said something along those lines. I am impressed with his driving but then the car means everything in F1. As an example of that, look to Kimi when his car was set up for dry...but it rained. He lounged at the back of the pack until the track dried...then...fastest lap of the race. The car and it's setup means everything and Hamilton got lucky when he landed in the seat he is in. Put him in a Renault and I would bet my race car he would not sniff a podium. He could NEVER handle the frustration. As soon as he gets frustrated, he starts making stupid passes and/or silly mistakes.

Yeah, I can see him saying he is as good as Senna....as silly of a statement as that is.


He's hinted at this and other things for a while, but to come out and say it directly is another matter. Granted that thinking it and saying it are still bad. I don't think it was all that luck that he immediately began his career at McLaren when they were on form, but I take your point anyway. Being in championship-winning car has clearly inflated his ego and he as no concept of what it is like to work his way up the greasy pole. As far as I'm concerned, I've not seen anybody as good as Senna and if Hamilton believes he comes close to him, then he's deluding himself and can go to hell.


Amen Brother. I will certainly grant that a professional racing driver must have immense confidence in his abilities. It is even acceptable to me for someone like Button or Coultard to believe in his own mind that given a capable car he could possibly reach the height of a great like Senna.....but for a 2nd year driver, who has yet to win a championship...BUT has already thrown one away with mistake after mistake....you just don't say something like that out loud. Coultard has significantly more reason to make huge claims...and yet he has the wisdom not to do so. I don't think Villenueve in all of his arrogance ever made that particular claim. How many times did Senna beach his car on the pit entry to ruin a world championship for his team? Did he ever rear end a competitor in the pit lane? Ever hit the speed limiter button during a race and scrap his teams last hope for a championship? Did Senna ever rear end a competitor on a straightaway like Hamiton did to Alonso? I only bring those things up because those are the type of mistakes that can only be blamed on the driver and the real great drivers simply don't do in their career...let alone several of them in one year.

I am not saying he isn't tallented, but there is a very large difference between talented rookie and the best that ever lived. During Spa I think it was, Hamilton pushed one of the other cars into the grass prior to the braking area on the straight...what if that car had not moved over and the two collided, wheels turning at that speed? Again, there is a pretty large difference between being aggressive and being dangerous...which is why several drivers are complaining about him. His ego, and his judgement are out of control. This isn't sportscars where you can teach someone like that a lesson by giving them a fender at turn in and introducing them to a tirewall with a smile on your face. Sooner or later the other drivers are going to stop yielding when he pulls that craziness and someone is going to get hurt.
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By racechick
#69471
Well, this is a very serious charge, so without proper evidence for the existence of these comments, never mind their context, I'll not be taking them into consideration.



Seriously? You really can't picture him saying that? He has been directly quoted saying many things that are damn near exactly that. Compared himself to Senna in the past, as well as Schumacher. His ego needs so much stroking, he is constantly stroking it himself. This is no surprise. This is not the first time he has said something along those lines. I am impressed with his driving but then the car means everything in F1. As an example of that, look to Kimi when his car was set up for dry...but it rained. He lounged at the back of the pack until the track dried...then...fastest lap of the race. The car and it's setup means everything and Hamilton got lucky when he landed in the seat he is in. Put him in a Renault and I would bet my race car he would not sniff a podium. He could NEVER handle the frustration. As soon as he gets frustrated, he starts making stupid passes and/or silly mistakes.

Yeah, I can see him saying he is as good as Senna....as silly of a statement as that is.


He's hinted at this and other things for a while, but to come out and say it directly is another matter. Granted that thinking it and saying it are still bad. I don't think it was all that luck that he immediately began his career at McLaren when they were on form, but I take your point anyway. Being in championship-winning car has clearly inflated his ego and he as no concept of what it is like to work his way up the greasy pole. As far as I'm concerned, I've not seen anybody as good as Senna and if Hamilton believes he comes close to him, then he's deluding himself and can go to hell.


Amen Brother. I will certainly grant that a professional racing driver must have immense confidence in his abilities. It is even acceptable to me for someone like Button or Coultard to believe in his own mind that given a capable car he could possibly reach the height of a great like Senna.....but for a 2nd year driver, who has yet to win a championship...BUT has already thrown one away with mistake after mistake....you just don't say something like that out loud. Coultard has significantly more reason to make huge claims...and yet he has the wisdom not to do so. I don't think Villenueve in all of his arrogance ever made that particular claim. How many times did Senna beach his car on the pit entry to ruin a world championship for his team? Did he ever rear end a competitor in the pit lane? Ever hit the speed limiter button during a race and scrap his teams last hope for a championship? Did Senna ever rear end a competitor on a straightaway like Hamiton did to Alonso? I only bring those things up because those are the type of mistakes that can only be blamed on the driver and the real great drivers simply don't do in their career...let alone several of them in one year.

I am not saying he isn't tallented, but there is a very large difference between talented rookie and the best that ever lived. During Spa I think it was, Hamilton pushed one of the other cars into the grass prior to the braking area on the straight...what if that car had not moved over and the two collided, wheels turning at that speed? Again, there is a pretty large difference between being aggressive and being dangerous...which is why several drivers are complaining about him. His ego, and his judgement are out of control. This isn't sportscars where you can teach someone like that a lesson by giving them a fender at turn in and introducing them to a tirewall with a smile on your face. Sooner or later the other drivers are going to stop yielding when he pulls that craziness and someone is going to get hurt.


Senna made plenty of mistakes, all the great ones do if they're pushing on the limit...the others do anyway. And you still reckon Lewis is dangerous?? PLEASE!!! We are talking racing drivers here, not babysitters.

"This isn't sportscars where you can teach someone like that a lesson by giving them a fender at turn in and introducing them to a tirewall with a smile on your face.Sooner or later the other drivers are going to stop yielding when he pulls that craziness and someone is going to get hurt"
I take it you're refering to Schumacher here? Montoya did stop yielding ...and no-one got hurt. Theyre big boys.

"Villeneuve in all of his arrogance" :rolleyes::rolleyes: well he was no where near Lewis' league!! You show your lack of comprehension by comments like that.

And sorry to dissapoint you, but much as you dislike lewis , Coulthard and Button are not in his league either. Coulthard!!! What are you on???
Jeez, you're in for some disappointments!! :hehe::hehe:
#69472
Well, this is a very serious charge, so without proper evidence for the existence of these comments, never mind their context, I'll not be taking them into consideration.



Seriously? You really can't picture him saying that? He has been directly quoted saying many things that are damn near exactly that. Compared himself to Senna in the past, as well as Schumacher. His ego needs so much stroking, he is constantly stroking it himself. This is no surprise. This is not the first time he has said something along those lines. I am impressed with his driving but then the car means everything in F1. As an example of that, look to Kimi when his car was set up for dry...but it rained. He lounged at the back of the pack until the track dried...then...fastest lap of the race. The car and it's setup means everything and Hamilton got lucky when he landed in the seat he is in. Put him in a Renault and I would bet my race car he would not sniff a podium. He could NEVER handle the frustration. As soon as he gets frustrated, he starts making stupid passes and/or silly mistakes.

Yeah, I can see him saying he is as good as Senna....as silly of a statement as that is.


He's hinted at this and other things for a while, but to come out and say it directly is another matter. Granted that thinking it and saying it are still bad. I don't think it was all that luck that he immediately began his career at McLaren when they were on form, but I take your point anyway. Being in championship-winning car has clearly inflated his ego and he as no concept of what it is like to work his way up the greasy pole. As far as I'm concerned, I've not seen anybody as good as Senna and if Hamilton believes he comes close to him, then he's deluding himself and can go to hell.


Amen Brother. I will certainly grant that a professional racing driver must have immense confidence in his abilities. It is even acceptable to me for someone like Button or Coultard to believe in his own mind that given a capable car he could possibly reach the height of a great like Senna.....but for a 2nd year driver, who has yet to win a championship...BUT has already thrown one away with mistake after mistake....you just don't say something like that out loud. Coultard has significantly more reason to make huge claims...and yet he has the wisdom not to do so. I don't think Villenueve in all of his arrogance ever made that particular claim. How many times did Senna beach his car on the pit entry to ruin a world championship for his team? Did he ever rear end a competitor in the pit lane? Ever hit the speed limiter button during a race and scrap his teams last hope for a championship? Did Senna ever rear end a competitor on a straightaway like Hamiton did to Alonso? I only bring those things up because those are the type of mistakes that can only be blamed on the driver and the real great drivers simply don't do in their career...let alone several of them in one year.

I am not saying he isn't tallented, but there is a very large difference between talented rookie and the best that ever lived. During Spa I think it was, Hamilton pushed one of the other cars into the grass prior to the braking area on the straight...what if that car had not moved over and the two collided, wheels turning at that speed? Again, there is a pretty large difference between being aggressive and being dangerous...which is why several drivers are complaining about him. His ego, and his judgement are out of control. This isn't sportscars where you can teach someone like that a lesson by giving them a fender at turn in and introducing them to a tirewall with a smile on your face. Sooner or later the other drivers are going to stop yielding when he pulls that craziness and someone is going to get hurt.


Senna made plenty of mistakes, all the great ones do if they're pushing on the limit...the others do anyway.


Certainly, mistakes made at the limit are to be expected. But the mistakes I listed above were NOT at, or near the limits of any production car, let alone an F1 car. Beaching a car at the pit entrance is not done at the limit...it is done through a rookie lack of concentration. Rear ending a parked car in the pit lane (with large red light flashing at its tail) is not done at the limit..it is done at a speed slower than I drive ever day..in a truck. Again...rookie, rediculous mistake. Rear ending Alonso while exiting a corner...that is not at the limit, that is just not paying attention. Hitting a speed limiter button in the middle of a straightaway? Nope, that's not at the limit either. The kids brain takes a vacation from time to time and while I believe he will outgrow it (funny how Alonso never had that problem when he was winning championships)...he has not done so yet, nor has he shown any sort of brilliance that could possibly catapult him over those mistakes to put him in the same league as the likes of Senna. I am sorry, but you are blinded by your infatuation.
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By racechick
#69475
And when you drive your truck everyday are you having to listen to incoming messages from your team radio, watch out for competitors who may leapfrog you in the pits and make a miriard of adjustments to the controls on your steerring wheel. I think not.
His pitlane mistake may well have been a rookie mistake-he was a rookie :rolleyes: but can you imagine the outcry by people like you if he had defied his team and said "Im coming in now my tyres are shot". Perhaps his bigger mistake there was in not defying his team.
He has shown plenty of brilliance, Im afraid you are blinded by your dislike :yes:
#69477
And when you drive your truck everyday are you having to listen to incoming messages from your team radio, watch out for competitors who may leapfrog you in the pits and make a miriard of adjustments to the controls on your steerring wheel. I think not.
His pitlane mistake may well have been a rookie mistake-he was a rookie :rolleyes: but can you imagine the outcry by people like you if he had defied his team and said "Im coming in now my tyres are shot". Perhaps his bigger mistake there was in not defying his team.
He has shown plenty of brilliance, Im afraid you are blinded by your dislike :yes:



rc, you should apply for a job as spin mistress at the current presidential race in the US :rofl:
#69480
And when you drive your truck everyday are you having to listen to incoming messages from your team radio, watch out for competitors who may leapfrog you in the pits and make a miriard of adjustments to the controls on your steerring wheel. I think not.
His pitlane mistake may well have been a rookie mistake-he was a rookie :rolleyes: but can you imagine the outcry by people like you if he had defied his team and said "Im coming in now my tyres are shot". Perhaps his bigger mistake there was in not defying his team.
He has shown plenty of brilliance, Im afraid you are blinded by your dislike :yes:


LOL, now you are defending mistakes IN THE PITLANE as if the driver is under huge pressure there? Leapfrog you in the pitlane? What in the world are you talking about? There is no passing in the pitlane...the driver comes in, puts the car on the limiter and pulls into his space..when the team says go, he goes. His leaving at the correct time is really the only stressful part (FERRARI :hehe: ). Whether you are talking about his rear ending Kimi or beaching it on entry...neither is a mistake that can be defended, and yet, you are seriously going to blame his beaching his car on the team? My god....
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By racechick
#69482
And when you drive your truck everyday are you having to listen to incoming messages from your team radio, watch out for competitors who may leapfrog you in the pits and make a miriard of adjustments to the controls on your steerring wheel. I think not.
His pitlane mistake may well have been a rookie mistake-he was a rookie :rolleyes: but can you imagine the outcry by people like you if he had defied his team and said "Im coming in now my tyres are shot". Perhaps his bigger mistake there was in not defying his team.
He has shown plenty of brilliance, Im afraid you are blinded by your dislike :yes:



rc, you should apply for a job as spin mistress at the current presidential race in the US :rofl:


Whose side do tou think I should be on??
#69484
And when you drive your truck everyday are you having to listen to incoming messages from your team radio, watch out for competitors who may leapfrog you in the pits and make a miriard of adjustments to the controls on your steerring wheel. I think not.
His pitlane mistake may well have been a rookie mistake-he was a rookie :rolleyes: but can you imagine the outcry by people like you if he had defied his team and said "Im coming in now my tyres are shot". Perhaps his bigger mistake there was in not defying his team.
He has shown plenty of brilliance, Im afraid you are blinded by your dislike :yes:



rc, you should apply for a job as spin mistress at the current presidential race in the US :rofl:


LOL :clap:
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By racechick
#69488
And when you drive your truck everyday are you having to listen to incoming messages from your team radio, watch out for competitors who may leapfrog you in the pits and make a miriard of adjustments to the controls on your steerring wheel. I think not.
His pitlane mistake may well have been a rookie mistake-he was a rookie :rolleyes: but can you imagine the outcry by people like you if he had defied his team and said "Im coming in now my tyres are shot". Perhaps his bigger mistake there was in not defying his team.
He has shown plenty of brilliance, Im afraid you are blinded by your dislike :yes:


LOL, now you are defending mistakes IN THE PITLANE as if the driver is under huge pressure there? Leapfrog you in the pitlane? What in the world are you talking about? There is no passing in the pitlane...the driver comes in, puts the car on the limiter and pulls into his space..when the team says go, he goes. His leaving at the correct time is really the only stressful part (FERRARI :hehe: ). Whether you are talking about his rear ending Kimi or beaching it on entry...neither is a mistake that can be defended, and yet, you are seriously going to blame his beaching his car on the team? My god....


Actually I was just quoting Alex Wurz's take on the incident ....a guy (unlike you) who has been in that situation
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By racechick
#69490
Er leapfrog in the pitlane.......the way most current ovetaking is done?? Ring any bells?? No, not actually going passing another car whilst in the pit lane, that wouldnt work :rolleyes: but going in, gaining an advantage and coming out ahead. Keep watching and you'll see what I mean.
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By scotty
#69495
"Villeneuve in all of his arrogance" :rolleyes::rolleyes: well he was no where near Lewis' league!! You show your lack of comprehension by comments like that.


Hang on, how about look where Villeneuve was near the end of his second season in F1, at the same stage Hamilton is now, in a pretty damn similar situation really! Villeneuve was riding high, challenging for and winning the title, and then what happened? :P Hamilton could go the same way, you can't deny that it is very possible surely!? I'm not flaming Hamilton here, but sometimes the hype around him reminds me of the hype around guys like Villeneuve when they first turned up. All that said, i can't wait to see what Hamilton is really made of when he's in a non-title contending car, and chances are that he'll have to deal with that at least a couple of times in his F1 career.
#69498
And when you drive your truck everyday are you having to listen to incoming messages from your team radio, watch out for competitors who may leapfrog you in the pits and make a miriard of adjustments to the controls on your steerring wheel. I think not.

To be fair, Anna, other drivers have to contend with this and have not made some of the gaffes Hamilton has.
His pitlane mistake may well have been a rookie mistake-he was a rookie :rolleyes: but can you imagine the outcry by people like you if he had defied his team and said "Im coming in now my tyres are shot". Perhaps his bigger mistake there was in not defying his team.

In my view, this was a rookie error, for Hamilton and McLaren realised they could win the race and title if they pulled it off, and Hamilton agreed to the plan. The gamble would have paid off if Hamilton realised that the pit lane was more wet than the track (because of the cars circulating the track on wet tyres, lifting water off the surface etc.), but he bombed into the pit entrance as it were dry.

Hamilton has a lot of talent, but his father, growing up with the wealth of facilities that McLaren have and driving two-title winning cars in his first two seasons has clearly warped his head. There are a lot of other guys, such as Vettel or Kubica, who are very talented, but have not been fortunate enough to have had the backing Hamilton has had. Some perspective is needed from Hamilton and his fans. Even if today's comments were not true, Hamilton's attitude is disrespectful as well as arrogant and delusional. To be arrogant, you have got to back it up, and Hamilton cannot really back up his arrogance, certainly not to such epic proportions as comparing himself to legends.
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#69507
And when you drive your truck everyday are you having to listen to incoming messages from your team radio, watch out for competitors who may leapfrog you in the pits and make a miriard of adjustments to the controls on your steerring wheel. I think not.

To be fair, Anna, other drivers have to contend with this and have not made some of the gaffes Hamilton has.
His pitlane mistake may well have been a rookie mistake-he was a rookie :rolleyes: but can you imagine the outcry by people like you if he had defied his team and said "Im coming in now my tyres are shot". Perhaps his bigger mistake there was in not defying his team.

In my view, this was a rookie error, for Hamilton and McLaren realised they could win the race and title if they pulled it off, and Hamilton agreed to the plan. The gamble would have paid off if Hamilton realised that the pit lane was more wet than the track (because of the cars circulating the track on wet tyres, lifting water off the surface etc.), but he bombed into the pit entrance as it were dry.

Hamilton has a lot of talent, but his father, growing up with the wealth of facilities that McLaren have and driving two-title winning cars in your first two seasons has clearly warped his head. There are a lot of other guys, such as Vettel or Kubica, who are very talented, but have not been fortunate enough to have had the backing Hamilton has had. Some perspective is needed from Hamilton and his fans. Even if today's comments were not true, Hamilton's attitude is disrespectful as well as arrogant and delusional. To be arrogant, you have got to back it up, and Hamilton cannot really back up his arrogance, certainly to such epic proportions as comparing himself to legends.


I would add to the above, but it is perfect as it is written.
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