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By racechick
#27973
I get what he is saying. Montezelmo should stfu he always talks out of his arse to the press. And Todt well dont even need to explain that two faced swine!

Ferrari publicly stated they were happy with the FIA's decision to stop the investigation so why go on gass bagging if youre happy?


Bud I see you are still up to your old tricks by blaming everyone else but McLaren. Did you not see Jean Todt 's comments today and I quote
"At the hearing McLaren came with 200 signatures of managers saying they never had access to the information.

"Then, three months later, when the FIA did its verifications, it was demonstrated that was completely false. They went corrupting their own personnel to make them sign false documentation."




Asking 200 of your employees to lie under oath in court.Real classy Bud mate.I really don't know how Ron "The Devil" Dennis can show his face in public never mind be involved at a high level in F1 ever again. McLaren are the biggest , cheating, lying , robbing , cowards in the history of Formula 1.
I would love to have a one on one with him to ask him certain questions as I was a McLaren fanatic Bud until I witnessed the disgraceful treatment of the brilliant and inspiring Fernando Alonso.God bless you FA , your ethics and love of the sport came before chasing more titles and money.If only we had more guys like you in F1


What a lot of nonsense in that post! Who says McLaren asked people to lie under oath??Jean Todt? He was there was he as these employees were asked to lie?

Ron Dennis "The devil"-Ok I get the message that you dont like him-fair enough I dont like Jean Todt but you're going over the top there.

I know an engineer who has workrd for Ron Dennis many times over the years often dealing with him personally and while he has said the guy can be fanatical about proceedures being followed and done the way he wants it doing, his honesty and inegrity have always been above reproach. To call him a cheat and a liar is a falsehood.

"Biggest lying cheating robbing cowards in the history of F1" Well you're just misinformed if you think that. There were errors last season no doubt about it and the biggest loosers from it were McLaren themselves. Look at the history of F1. Look at Renault, Toyota and Spyker this season alone and you will see that what happenned at McLaren was mild by comparison.There were other reasons for mcLarens treatment which have been ststed many times on this forum.

You are entitled to your opinions and I dont expect to change them but you are basing them on biased information.
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By darwin dali
#27974
Bud, YOU are missing the point. I was just explaining why Ferrari is still saber rattling. They took one for the team so to speak when the FIA decided to bury their hatchet. That doesn't mean that Ferrari has to roll over like a puppy dog when it comes to the civil suit - on the contrary, they have to maintain an image of being a party that got badly damaged by Stepney and co. And how could you keep up such an image for the civil case if you're all happy and smiling?
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By darwin dali
#27975
I get what he is saying. Montezelmo should stfu he always talks out of his arse to the press. And Todt well dont even need to explain that two faced swine!



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Ron Dennis "The devil"-Ok I get the message that you dont like him-fair enough I dont like Jean Todt but you're going over the top there.

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Funny how you scold Mark Hughes for his transgression, but bud with his rather crass name calling of JT gets away with it?
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By bud
#27976
thats bollocks DD they do not need to keep the saga in the media to portray an injured party.
By going against the FIA's latest decision would only weaken Ferrari's stance by picking and choosing when to favour the FIAs decisions. i mean they were happy when they banned McLaren giving them the Constructor title they had no issues with the FIAs reasoning there. so to question this reasoning would only weaken their own resolve by shoowing Ferrari doesnt have 100% faith in the FIAs handling of the spy case and would therefore question if they got it right in the first place. the defence attornies would go straight at them with that one!

and one would argue it was McLaren not Ferrari that took one for the team when the FIA decided to bury the hatchet as you say. Ferrari had nothing to lose McLaren wanted to race! forget about saving face just bow down to Max's in his realm.
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By bud
#27977
I get what he is saying. Montezelmo should stfu he always talks out of his arse to the press. And Todt well dont even need to explain that two faced swine!



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Ron Dennis "The devil"-Ok I get the message that you dont like him-fair enough I dont like Jean Todt but you're going over the top there.

"

Funny how you scold Mark Hughes for his transgression, but bud with his rather crass name calling of JT gets away with it?


get over it :roll: calling him a pig compared to the devil himself yeah :roll:
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By darwin dali
#27978

I know an engineer who has workrd for Ron Dennis many times over the years often dealing with him personally and while he has said the guy can be fanatical about procedures being followed and done the way he wants it doing, his honesty and integrity have always been above reproach. To call him a cheat and a liar is a falsehood.


I don't buy this myth anymore. I used to believe his integrity spiel and all, but not after seeing him behave like he did this past season. "We were racing Fernando" - anybody?
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By darwin dali
#27979
thats bollocks DD they do not need to keep the saga in the media to portray an injured party.
By going against the FIA's latest decision would only weaken Ferrari's stance by picking and choosing when to favour the FIAs decisions. i mean they were happy when they banned McLaren giving them the Constructor title they had no issues with the FIAs reasoning there. so to question this reasoning would only weaken their own resolve by shoowing Ferrari doesnt have 100% faith in the FIAs handling of the spy case and would therefore question if they got it right in the first place. the defence attornies would go straight at them with that one!

and one would argue it was McLaren not Ferrari that took one for the team when the FIA decided to bury the hatchet as you say. Ferrari had nothing to lose McLaren wanted to race! forget about saving face just bow down to Max's in his realm.



WTF are you talking about bud? What a load of BS... Ferrari was fuming when they heard that only the constructors points were taken. They wanted the drivers banned as well!
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By bud
#27980

I don't buy this myth anymore. I used to believe his integrity spiel and all, but not after seeing him behave like he did this past season. "We were racing Fernando" - anybody?


dont you think by the second to last race of the season he would have known like the rest of the world that Fernando was not going to race at Mclaren in 08 so he was not one of "us":roll:

and showing abit of emotion after a race sometimes you say the wrong thing. he said the truth and not what was politically correct for nit pickers like you ;)
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By bud
#27981
WTF WTF WTF dont you get
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By darwin dali
#27982

get over it :roll: calling him a pig compared to the devil himself yeah :roll:


Two faced swine is pretty crass and indicates a very low opinion of that person - no exception. Devil is much less loaded. You're a devil can actually be a compliment, an expression of admiration for some skills, etc. An expression of some fearful respect. Not that I imply it's in this case.
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By bud
#27983

get over it :roll: calling him a pig compared to the devil himself yeah :roll:


Two faced swine is pretty crass and indicates a very low opinion of that person - no exception. Devil is much less loaded. You're a devil can actually be a compliment, an expression of admiration for some skills, etc. An expression of some fearful respect. Not that I imply it's in this case.


:roll: heard it all what a load of s***

you sound alot like Jean Toad there - no exception
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By darwin dali
#27984

I don't buy this myth anymore. I used to believe his integrity spiel and all, but not after seeing him behave like he did this past season. "We were racing Fernando" - anybody?


dont you think by the second to last race of the season he would have known like the rest of the world that Fernando was not going to race at Mclaren in 08 so he was not one of "us":roll:

and showing abit of emotion after a race sometimes you say the wrong thing. he said the truth and not what was politically correct for nit pickers like you ;)


Hm he said the truth? I've always thought that the truth is that at McLaren drivers get equal treatment. Guess not...
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By bud
#27985

I don't buy this myth anymore. I used to believe his integrity spiel and all, but not after seeing him behave like he did this past season. "We were racing Fernando" - anybody?


dont you think by the second to last race of the season he would have known like the rest of the world that Fernando was not going to race at Mclaren in 08 so he was not one of "us":roll:

and showing abit of emotion after a race sometimes you say the wrong thing. he said the truth and not what was politically correct for nit pickers like you ;)


Hm he said the truth? I've always thought that the truth is that at McLaren drivers get equal treatment. Guess not...


Well nice try to turn it that way like the rest of you lambs but if that wre the case and by that stage of the season McLaren could have just dropped Fernando like they did with Montoya and put all efforts behind Lewis. Seems to me Fernando had the same equipment and same oppertunites as lewis. what more can they f***ing do than that? im over that topic! :twisted:
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By racechick
#27986

I know an engineer who has workrd for Ron Dennis many times over the years often dealing with him personally and while he has said the guy can be fanatical about procedures being followed and done the way he wants it doing, his honesty and integrity have always been above reproach. To call him a cheat and a liar is a falsehood.


I don't buy this myth anymore. I used to believe his integrity spiel and all, but not after seeing him behave like he did this past season. "We were racing Fernando" - anybody?


Jesus your flashing thing is annoying!!
Its not a myth its what he's like. Alonso had screwed the team by then and Lewis was the future for mcLaren.
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By darwin dali
#27987
I mentioned this just to show you and open your eyes about how hypocritical your hero RD is - he deserves your JT slam much more than JT.

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