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[deMuRe]

First of all - not true. Second of all, MS developed the cars from lowly beginnings to his needs so that he could win the championship - that's a remarkable feat in itself.

Correct

That's why I think Schumacher is better then Senna. Senna always wanted to drive the best car where Schumacher always wanted to make the cars he was in the best, which he helped doing by being an excellent team leader.

[bud]

So what those that say about Hammys acheivements this year if you follow your bias train of thought.

Yeah thats true but then you add in the team mate he went against to measure his achievment by. IF he had a Barrichello type of driver as a team mate then yeah might not be as good an effort huh

First of all - not true. Second of all, MS developed the cars from lowly beginnings to his needs so that he could win the championship - that's a remarkable feat in itself.

Correct

That's why I think Schumacher is better then Senna. Senna always wanted to drive the best car where Schumacher always wanted to make the cars he was in the best, which he helped doing by being an excellent team leader.

Youre demi god did it all on his own ignorance

Schumacher needed the Benetton key players to follow him to Ferrari to get success. I didnt see him moving to Ferrari and working with the guys already there to make Ferrari a strong team.
the comparison to Senna is stupid didnt Schumacher leave Jordan to go to the "better" car? and i know what youre saying about Ferrari he did leave to join them but read above. was basically a red Benetton. Senna left McLaren to join Williams when he was 34. he didnt have time to stay with McLaren and help get them back to the top, but the move to Williams didnt give him any time at all !

[deMuRe]

So what those that say about Hammys acheivements this year if you follow your bias train of thought.

Yeah thats true but then you add in the team mate he went against to measure his achievment by. IF he had a Barrichello type of driver as a team mate then yeah might not be as good an effort huh

First of all - not true. Second of all, MS developed the cars from lowly beginnings to his needs so that he could win the championship - that's a remarkable feat in itself.

Correct

That's why I think Schumacher is better then Senna. Senna always wanted to drive the best car where Schumacher always wanted to make the cars he was in the best, which he helped doing by being an excellent team leader.

Youre demi god did it all on his own ignorance

Schumacher needed the Benetton key players to follow him to Ferrari to get success. I didnt see him moving to Ferrari and working with the guys already there to make Ferrari a strong team.
the comparison to Senna is stupid didnt Schumacher leave Jordan to go to the "better" car? and i know what youre saying about Ferrari he did leave to join them but read above. was basically a red Benetton. Senna left McLaren to join Williams when he was 34. he didnt have time to stay with McLaren and help get them back to the top, but the move to Williams didnt give him any time at all !

He had the Vision to replace the Ferrari technical department with his own guys, that's what team leaders do.

Your ramblings are those of an ill informed fool.

[bud]

il informed fool huh haha coming from an informed fool then i take it?

sorry i didnt mean to ruin the way you view your demigod

He is the greatest the best there ever is and will be

does that make me informed like you now i have said that? haha FOOL!

[8-ball]

First of all - not true. Second of all, MS developed the cars from lowly beginnings to his needs so that he could win the championship - that's a remarkable feat in itself.

Correct

That's why I think Schumacher is better then Senna. Senna always wanted to drive the best car where Schumacher always wanted to make the cars he was in the best, which he helped doing by being an excellent team leader.

schumi better than senna! now you've really lost it! its not a driver's job to motivate, lead, give speeches or give hugs to teammates when things wrong! You cannot critisice senna just becuase he wanted to drive the fastest car.

[racechick]

Just put kids in a simulator ...There you have your future champion

Thats what McLaren did with Project Hamilton

HA! So you agree he's a future champion!
You quoted me out of context, I did not say that. But if thats all you think happenned to produce Lewis then they hit on a winning strategy didnt they. (Think you'll find there was a bit more involved than a simulator )

[7UpJordan]

(Think you'll find there was a bit more involved than a simulator )

Indeed, it's like me playing RFactor and then saying I'm a future Champion just because I won the GP1979 season driving a Fittipaldi.

[McLaren Fan]

First of all - not true. Second of all, MS developed the cars from lowly beginnings to his needs so that he could win the championship - that's a remarkable feat in itself.

I thought Ferrari developed car for him. With a team of great engineers and loads of money. But I can imagine MS doing his car in a do-it-yourself manner over the years. I really do

Honestly, I don't think that was such a great achievement from his side. When you think of it, it took much less time to Mika to develop McLaren to suit his needs... (or, more recently, FA to develop Renault). Unfortunately Mercedes engine turned dog after regulation changes (that, intentionally or not, did play in advantage for Ferrari) and technical excellence of Ferrari packages did let MS remain on top for so long... but I don't really think that was MS's exclusive, he was just lucky to be good driver in great car.

Schumacher was good. Anybody who denies that is either a fool or lying. His achievement at Ferrari is overstated however: Ross Brawn pulled off some wonderful race and pitstop strategies, Rory Byrne designed some great cars, and FIAT pumped in money like there was no tomorrow.

[vegas]

Just put kids in a simulator ...There you have your future champion

Thats what McLaren did with Project Hamilton

HA! So you agree he's a future champion!
You quoted me out of context, I did not say that. But if thats all you think happenned to produce Lewis then they hit on a winning strategy didnt they. (Think you'll find there was a bit more involved than a simulator )

No it was a special McLaren simulator where they hooked wires to his brain. He also raced r/c cars when he was a kid.

[deMuRe]

First of all - not true. Second of all, MS developed the cars from lowly beginnings to his needs so that he could win the championship - that's a remarkable feat in itself.

Correct

That's why I think Schumacher is better then Senna. Senna always wanted to drive the best car where Schumacher always wanted to make the cars he was in the best, which he helped doing by being an excellent team leader.

schumi better than senna! now you've really lost it! its not a driver's job to motivate, lead, give speeches or give hugs to teammates when things wrong! You cannot critisice senna just becuase he wanted to drive the fastest car.

I just did, this is why I think he's better...

[bud]

demure you never even knew what F1 was in Senna's time! you only started watching it 3 years after his death so i dont think your view amounts to much in regards who YOU think is the better driver.

you use Schumachers move to Ferrari as your only basis of evidence when in fact he moved there with a swag of key personel from his championship winning Benetton team so in effect it was just a continuation of the same team he was in.
And you forget that Schumi leaped out of his Jordan cockpit to go to the "better team" in Benetton
So i think here i have just proven your theory well and truelly wrong.

But im sure you will have some comeback as to why Schumi's was better than Senna!

[deMuRe]

demure you never even knew what F1 was in Senna's time! you only started watching it 3 years after his death so i dont think your view amounts to much in regards who YOU think is the better driver.

you use Schumachers move to Ferrari as your only basis of evidence when in fact he moved there with a swag of key personel from his championship winning Benetton team so in effect it was just a continuation of the same team he was in.
And you forget that Schumi leaped out of his Jordan cockpit to go to the "better team" in Benetton
So i think here i have just proven your theory well and truelly wrong.

But im sure you will have some comeback as to why Schumi's was better than Senna!

I've read enough books on F1 to know what Senna was like. The Bennetton wasn't the class of the field, I've said this to you before Bud but you don't listen.

Want me to apologise for having a different opinion to you bud? Or is this going to be another one of your Jihad's?

[bud]

the Benetton was a "better car" than the Jordan is all i said you stupid prick!! where did i just say it was the class of the field???? After all you just said Schumi wasnt like Senna who went to the better car......
and Hey i would agree with you if Schumi didnt need to bring half of the key Benetton players with him to Ferrari, if he went there and worked with what they had to make them a title winning team then yeah Schumi is the REASON.

WHy dont you go read a book on how to stop being a fat stupid evil prick!! Ive warned you about using the term JIHAD i will make a formal complaint to stephen if you keep it up.

[darwin dali]

I agree with demure and I have been around way longer than the both of you! I remember watching gentleman Hill (no, not that twat Damon!) drive around on those race tracks. Or Fittipaldi, Reutemann, Peterson, Ickx, Scheckter, and, and...

[deMuRe]

Have I found a name you don't like bud? Did you ever stop to ask any of the other members on this board if your rants and name calling upsets them?

OK Jihad Joe, Schumacher got snapped up by Bennetton because he was told Jordan were switching to sh!tty engines the following year. There is only so much a driver can do. I'm not saying Schumacher is capable of making a Minardi a front runner, a good team leader can find you that extra couple of tenths you are looking for in countless ways, by providing good leadership.

Schumacher was an excellent team leader and he found those extra couple of tenths that were needed by Bennetton and Ferrari.

Wasn't too shabby behind the wheel either...