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[raithrover]

Ron wouldn't consider stepping down until his organisation was in reasonable shape and ending his reign at the very top with the championships. McLaren are not in that position, so he will continue.

[bud]

thats what i meant hehe

[8-ball]

if he and max quits we will all be better off

[MARK HUGHES]

I couldn't agree with you more 8 ball.The title of this topic is "Ron's going nowwhere".Has everyone gone barking mad.Dennis is lucky he's not going to jail for theft never mind being allowed to participate at a high level in our beloved sport again. There is such a thing called "ETHICS" in sport and the revelation this week that the Ferrari data "spread" within parts of the McLaren team(which goody two shoes Hamilton denied all knowledge of) is disgusting.Would loyal McLaren fans now accept Hamilton being world champ in a car with Ferrari components found on it.If I was Ron Dennis I would be leaving the house with a balaclava on as I would be that embarrased to show my face.Surely any self-respecting F1 fan can't honestly be thinking about cheering this treacherous lot on for 2008.God help us all if that's the case

[bud]

Dennis cannot go to jail being a team boss and share holder doesnt mean youre responsible for culpable actions within your team/business. The ones facing jail time if any are Stepney and to a lesser extent Coughlan.

McLaren dmitting info spread within the team to a greater extent than was first known is just the same as Renault admitting they had McLaren information that spread to 8 engineers. Theres no admittance it was used as with Renault.

Ill be cheering McLaren on in 2008 with pride Mr Hughsie why not take ya crying elsewhere ya wee girl because gods wont help you here!

[MARK HUGHES]

Have you been drinking buddy? I liked how you are trying to excuse anyone employed by McLaren of any wrongdoing.Are you honestly trying to say that Stepney and Coughlan aren't as guilty as each other.We are missing the brutal truth here altogether mate. Ferrari who have for nearly the past decade ruled F1 have found their main rivals and bitter enemies who haven't had a champion in nearly a decade have copied their blueprint of success by admitting to cheating.Did you think Stepney weas doing this for FREE.Their hands have been well and truly caught in the cookie jar mate

[bud]

dude or mate how ever you fancy yourself, with all your heirsay and bullpoo youve come up with yourself id say youre the one who has been drinking!
so now McLaren were paying Stepney huh the fact youve come up with that suggests the rationale your mindsets on with regard to the matter! Im saying with Stepney and Coughlan that Stepney was the instigator he was the one who stole the documents etc in a court case he would face more charges than Coughlan.
have you read McLarens letter at all mate? because if you did no where do they confess to cheating all they confess is their own investiation wasnt as thorough as the FIAs and that it was sorry the situation was grander than they first thought. Just like Renault who had the facts straight up thus no fine....
to be honest im fed up with people like you who are probably half assed F1 fans who only read the news articles and dont bother to find out facts for themselves coming into fourms and mouthing off opinions based on nothing more than what someone else has said added to their simple thought process produces bullpoo posts!

[MARK HUGHES]

Bud , first of all you are correct, I do fancy myself. You are going on about Bullpoo(sounds so gay) but you seem to be forgetting asking YOURSELF a couple of questions 1. What is Stepney gaining out this? 2.Do you think he is doing it for free(yeah right). How do you know who the instigator was, you know just about as much as the rest of us - absolutely nothing.I get the feeling I'm wasting my time here as you know what they say "you can't reason with stupidity". When the underhand Ron Dennis apologises to the FIA and accepts the fine without contesting it, How much more evidence do you need?Hughes 2 Bud 0

[darwin dali]

have you read McLarens letter at all mate? because if you did no where do they confess to cheating all they confess is their own investiation wasnt as thorough as the FIAs and that it was sorry the situation was grander than they first thought.

Uh, NO! First of all, there was the non-conclusion of the December meeting hinting at the fact that the FIA had found something on the McLaren car. Then, in the letter, RD/McLaren offer to stop development in three key areas - most likely the ones that the FIA had singled out during the December meeting. This is tantamount to a confession of guilt. They're trying to save their arses by this apology and peace offering and the FIA gladly accepted it to put this sorry saga to an end without having to kick out McLaren. FIA biased towards Ferrari? I think not!

[McLaren Fan]

MARK HUGHES, please stop, my ribs are sore laughing.

[racechick]

I couldn't agree with you more 8 ball.The title of this topic is "Ron's going nowwhere".Has everyone gone barking mad.Dennis is lucky he's not going to jail for theft never mind being allowed to participate at a high level in our beloved sport again. There is such a thing called "ETHICS" in sport and the revelation this week that the Ferrari data "spread" within parts of the McLaren team(which goody two shoes Hamilton denied all knowledge of) is disgusting.Would loyal McLaren fans now accept Hamilton being world champ in a car with Ferrari components found on it.If I was Ron Dennis I would be leaving the house with a balaclava on as I would be that embarrased to show my face.Surely any self-respecting F1 fan can't honestly be thinking about cheering this treacherous lot on for 2008.God help us all if that's the case

Where have you been for the last 50 odd years?? In fairyland!!

[7UpJordan]

Mark Hughes, shouldn't you stick to your day job at Blackburn Rovers?

[bigmouth]

The only person that should go is MAD MAX, the son of a Nazi

[bud]

Uh, NO! First of all, there was the non-conclusion of the December meeting hinting at the fact that the FIA had found something on the McLaren car. Then, in the letter, RD/McLaren offer to stop development in three key areas - most likely the ones that the FIA had singled out during the December meeting. This is tantamount to a confession of guilt. They're trying to save their arses by this apology and peace offering and the FIA gladly accepted it to put this sorry saga to an end without having to kick out McLaren. FIA biased towards Ferrari? I think not!

Again darwin youre referring to the FIA and what they interpret. Theres alot of grey area's in there and heirsay and "he saw the document as if he wouldnt have used it" going on in the FIA's findings i doubt it would even hold up in a court of law the evidence they have.
its a peace offering correct but i am on the thinking that the FIA informed McLaren to do this letter so publicly can move on, we still have to wait for the WMSC to give the ok to Max's request of dropping the investigation.

FIA bias towards Ferrari? well if McLaren werent winning races in this scenario would the FIA and Ferrari be acting so ruthlessly against McLaren? NO and that would suggest heavy handed treatment.
Consitency is the key, if the governing body was consitant in their handling of affairs and on track issues there would be less talk of corruption and favouring.


oh and to mark hughes............. nothing.

[MARK HUGHES]

Uh, NO! First of all, there was the non-conclusion of the December meeting hinting at the fact that the FIA had found something on the McLaren car. Then, in the letter, RD/McLaren offer to stop development in three key areas - most likely the ones that the FIA had singled out during the December meeting. This is tantamount to a confession of guilt. They're trying to save their arses by this apology and peace offering and the FIA gladly accepted it to put this sorry saga to an end without having to kick out McLaren. FIA biased towards Ferrari? I think not!

Again darwin youre referring to the FIA and what they interpret. Theres alot of grey area's in there and heirsay and "he saw the document as if he wouldnt have used it" going on in the FIA's findings i doubt it would even hold up in a court of law the evidence they have.
its a peace offering correct but i am on the thinking that the FIA informed McLaren to do this letter so publicly can move on, we still have to wait for the WMSC to give the ok to Max's request of dropping the investigation

FIA bias towards Ferrari? well if McLaren werent winning races in this scenario would the FIA and Ferrari be acting so ruthlessly against McLaren? NO and that would suggest heavy handed treatment.
Consitency is the key, if the governing body was consitant in their handling of affairs and on track issues there would be less talk of corruption and favouring.


oh and to mark hughes............. nothing.

Ah I can see I have picked holes in your knowledge of F1 my good man.When you make direct references to me , it tells me that your pissed off I have rumbled your pro-McLaren attittude.Bottom line Bud, McLaren are VERY lucky they are still allowed to compete in F1 ever again never mind next season, so let's have a little respect for those who support the sport that are honest and like to see every team competing fairly. Dennis for the Gallows!