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By darwin dali
#13299
If that were true, if Ferrari had the FIA in their pocket, then I would think that the various changes in the regs (e.g., the point system) to make it harder for MS to win championships would never have happened. Or MS wouldn't have been penalized (or not as heavily) for the Rascasse incident. Or the $1million fine for the 2002 Austria GP podium shenanigans, the second largest fine in F1 history after the $5million for the Turkey GP organizers. Or the ridiculously low $50,000 McLaren fine and loss of 10 points in the constructors’ championship for a missing seal on an electronic control unit after MH won the 2000 Austrian GP. However, Mika kept the race win. Give it up already - it goes both ways, as it should.
By Lewisfan
#13303
Ferrari should rename their team to Ferrari-FIA, anytime a team is beating them the call in the FIA. The British court told Ferriari lawyers where to go in Britain. The Ferrari runs the Italian legal and police just watch God father should I say anymore.........The British are known for there fairness and the legal system is the best in the world. We don't have Dons like Ferrari and Alonso boyfriend Flavio Briatore.

Italian head mafia of F1

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The FIA want to remove McLaren for 2 years why because their are beating Ferrari.....If this happen many millions of people around the world will be turn off F1 for good.
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By 7UpJordan
#13304
No offence Lewis fan, but I think you're getting a bit too carried away now mate.
By Lewisfan
#13305
"7UpJordan" Please let me express my opinions thanks
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By darwin dali
#13306
Thanks for sharing your portrait Lewboy - now it becomes all clear :twisted:
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By McLaren Fan
#13328
If that were true, if Ferrari had the FIA in their pocket, then I would think that the various changes in the regs (e.g., the point system) to make it harder for MS to win championships would never have happened. Or MS wouldn't have been penalized (or not as heavily) for the Rascasse incident. Or the $1million fine for the 2002 Austria GP podium shenanigans, the second largest fine in F1 history after the $5million for the Turkey GP organizers. Or the ridiculously low $50,000 McLaren fine and loss of 10 points in the constructors’ championship for a missing seal on an electronic control unit after MH won the 2000 Austrian GP. However, Mika kept the race win. Give it up already - it goes both ways, as it should.

The incidents you mentioned are not comparable. Those incidents were so obvious there was no choice but to punish them. The reason they were punished were motivated by commerce. It certainly did not look good for the sport to see Michael Schumacher being gifted a win in such a manner or Schumacher's latest cheating incident. McLaren were fined $50,000 for nothing. No rule existed so whether the fine was $5 or $5,000,000 it was still wrong. Furthermore, the authorities had nothing left to hit McLaren with: all the team's constructors points had already been taken away.

Finally, it's not just McLaren fans complaining about matters in Formula One, other people have mentioned how personal and underhand the matter has become. For instance, why did the Italian police turn up outside the McLaren motorhome immediately before qualifying.
By certom
#13335
"7UpJordan" Please let me express my opinions thanks


for the non-italians people (just the ignorant ones) everything that goes against their opinion and in which Italy is involved, everything is Mafia, Mafia, Mafia....hey little child, open a book a start to study, stop playing "the godfather" on your playstation, and start to be respectful and express your own ideas with intelligence! italy is not "pizza mafia e mandolino" but maybe you americans don't know this...
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By darwin dali
#13338
No, it's pasta, cosa nostra and gondola :P:mrgreen::mrgreen:
By certom
#13340
eheh bastardo :D
ma la gente che lo pensa veramente mi sta sul cazzo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ignoranti....

sorry but i'm too angry to speak in english
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By darwin dali
#13352
LOL - calmati! :D:D
By Lewisfan
#13354
"certom" Please accept my apology
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By racechick
#13358
[quote="certom"]what the hell are you saying, mixing Adelaide (MS on benetton) with Jerez (MS on Ferrari), the software of Benetton (what the guilt of MS, and also his teammate, and where's the relation with Ferrari!!!),

I was meaning same driver.same team memebers (they went with him to Ferrari), Same mentality as regards winning.

Ive read all the opinions on here with interest. IF!! McLaren cheated then they should be punished but I see no evidence for cheating and I doubt they will be given a fair trial. I read an article in the Times today by Martin Brundle saying that two Toyota employees were jailed(Yes JAILED)for espionge.Also Colin Kolles from Spyker was walking round the pitlane with a full set of Torro Rosso Drawings in an attempt to prove they were cloned cars. The FIA were not interesred in and did nothing about either incident . Where is the consistency? It is the unfairness that really rankles.
#13362
Will the FIA hold the Ferrari Board resonsible for the actions of their employee? Did not a Ferrari payroled employee cause this spy problem in the first instance, nobody else . Did their staff not approach other teams' employees to 'bribe', 'induce' or 'persude' them into taking actions they would not otherwise have taken? Are Ferrari not responsible for the actions of their employees? Every other company in the Western World shoulders such responsibilities for their staff?

If it is a Court of Law matter then why does the Courts of Modena not also investigate Ferrari Board members' responsibility on the illegal attempt of an employee of theirs to corrupt the honesty and integrity of other teams and the sport?

More worryingly, what kind of modern democratic European Nation (Italy) can allow its Courts of Law to be abused in an unjust witch hunt? It is Zimbabwe or Italy? Given the amount of organised crime Italy has, one would think the Courts had better things to do than Ferrari's bidding. Who really owns Ferrari anyway??? In any event, how could any kind of fair trial or hearing be held after so much manipulated media coverage? Accused murderers have had investigations abandoned on lessor media coverage!

I will say no more as I would not want to find a horses head in my flower bed! [size=18][/size]
By certom
#13364
the court of modena is the head of the italian investigation, apart from sport, Ferrari is an italian industry and mclaren is subject of investigation due to illegal spying.

and there's a difference between the two teams, stepney received money, or could have received money, but who gave that money? not coughlan indeed, becuase what's the advantage for HIM??? well, ok, maybe in his spare time his hobby is to build an F2007 made of wood for his children, but i hard think that...

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