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[stonemonkey]

Regarding the laptop shutting down, it could possibly look like that's what's happened if he'd pressed and held the power button down and the button was close to the power socket.
If you're looking at the screen when it's switched off that way it looks like the power's just been cut.

Like I said, it sounds fishy, and strange that it's made its way through the chain without being questioned by anyone along the way but I still wouldn't dismiss things because of it.

[darwin dali]

And unless batteries are not allowed to be used onsite, then a laptop would not just shut off when power is disconnected.

This struck me as odd as well

[sagi58]

*** On this side of the pond, many companies offer their employees a "personal" laptop,
simply because they expect workers to keep working off-hours, nothing unusual there.
*** Most companies have a chain of command/responsibility that grants employees access
to various files, etc., nothing unusual there.
*** It is possible, pardon me, probable, that when employees move from one department
to another, access to their "new" files/responsibilities happens immediately; whereas,
access to their "old" files/responsibilities isn't as immediate, nothing unusual there.
*** Knowing an employee is moving to a competitor creates paranoia, nothing unusual there.

[myownalias]

In a professional IT environment, a user is not removed and recreated when changing departments, the "user" is simply moved to another "group" with different permissions.

[overboost]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/formula1/35059767

In an exclusive interview with BBC Sport, Ecclestone also:

explained how he wants to change F1
detailed why he cannot get it through
accused Mercedes of helping Ferrari develop their engine

I can't believe Mercedes would stifle competition like that
Imagine getting $90m more than any other team and still needing help from a competitor to build an engine

maybe why Ferrari were so interested in getting a race report and mileage data

What are you trying to say here 'Bad Freddie'?

You are leading with the Eccelstone fantasy and saying that Merc helped Ferrari to fix their engine. But then you say they needed to steal a race report and mileage data to fix their engine. Why would they need to steal a race report and mileage data from Merc if Merc already had fixed their engine? You don't make any sense.

Truly sad Freddie.

And yes Mercedes is doing what ever they can to undermine the 2017 revamp to make F1 competitive, first with their bs tire safety warnings and now again today with Costa's vague moanings about it being to difficult for them:

"Combining the 2016 and 2017 programmes is going to be very difficult, and difficult for Formula 1 in general," Costa told Autosport.
"We have these new rules, but there are a lot of things in them that are wrong for the show in our opinion, and we need to say that.
"We cannot demonstrate it, but are expressing that in the technical meetings with the FIA and the engineers in the other teams.

You should realize that while the Ferrari engine is as good as the limited tokens spent could allow it to be, it was Vettel's talent and ability that was dragging the Ferrari up the order and onto the podium. Just imagine what Vettel could do with a competitive engine!

James Allison on SV :

"We don't have as good a car as the Mercedes, that's obvious, and yet we've won three races. Sebastian has won all three."
"And the reason that he has won those three and put it on the podium as much as he has is that we ask him to sort of work miracles to put his car in a competitive position, because the car is not yet good enough to be the winning car."
"And he delivers those miracles sort of lap after lap, race after race, weekend after weekend."

http://planetf1.com/news/allison-applau ... orker-seb/

[sagi58]

In a professional IT environment, a user is not removed and recreated when changing departments, the "user" is simply moved to another "group" with different permissions.

Yup!! And, when there is an overlap, that user can belong to two groups.
Let's not forget that people can make mistakes. Even IT personnel!
It's happened before and I'm sure it will happen again.

[stonemonkey]

In a professional IT environment, a user is not removed and recreated when changing departments, the "user" is simply moved to another "group" with different permissions.

Yup!! And, when there is an overlap, that user can belong to two groups.
Let's not forget that people can make mistakes. Even IT personnel!
It's happened before and I'm sure it will happen again.

Consider what the primary aim of the move was though.

[sagi58]

In a professional IT environment, a user is not removed and recreated when changing departments, the "user" is simply moved to another "group" with different permissions.

Yup!! And, when there is an overlap, that user can belong to two groups.
Let's not forget that people can make mistakes. Even IT personnel!
It's happened before and I'm sure it will happen again.

Consider what the primary aim of the move was though.

The move? As in, why did Mercedes move him?
Or why is he moving to Ferrari?

Just kidding!! I would imagine that Mercedes moved him because he was moving to Ferrari.
That doesn't necessarily mean that everyone was in the loop and that when he was moved
that IT personnel was on top of changing his access permissions "immediately".

[sagi58]

Regardless of who did what to whom, it's all become a mute point:

Ian Parkes wrote:">Mercedes engineer being sued for stealing data not joining Ferrari

Ferrari has confirmed Mercedes engineer Benjamin Hoyle will not be joining the Formula 1 team "in the foreseeable future".

It emerged on Tuesday that Mercedes is taking legal action against Hoyle, accusing him of stealing confidential information and data ahead of a new-year move to Ferrari.

The Scuderia was cited in High Court documents, seen by Autosport, with Mercedes stating that once Hoyle's contract with High Performance Powertrains terminates at the end of the year he "intends to take up employment with Ferrari".

Hoyle, who had been one of four team leaders in Mercedes AMG F1's engineering department, served notice on a three-year contract in May 2014.

In April this year, Hoyle was moved to Mercedes' DTM programme as HPP sought to protect its intellectual property.

Over the following five months, it is alleged Hoyle removed hardcopy documents and data via various means.

Mercedes suggested "Mr Hoyle and potentially Ferrari have gained an unlawful advantage".

Autosport understands the talks between Ferrari and Hoyle were nothing more than informal, with not even a draft contract offered for him to sign.

Inside Ferrari it is understood there is considerable surprise it has been quoted by Mercedes as potentially gaining an advantage from Hoyle's actions.

Asked by Autosport whether Hoyle would be joining Ferrari, a spokesman said: "Ferrari has stressed the point Benjamin Hoyle never had a contract with the company, so he will not be joining us in the foreseeable future."

[sagi58]

Ian Parkes wrote:">Mercedes engineer being sued for stealing data not joining Ferrari

...Mercedes suggested "Mr Hoyle and potentially Ferrari have gained an unlawful advantage"...

So... Mercedes is guilty of defamation where Ferrari is concerned?
Let me see... libel if it's in writing and slander if it's spoken...
Either way, definitively defamation!

[stonemonkey]

'Potentially', since he had been in talks with Ferrari there was potential that he may have gone there had this not blown up. Ferrari are just distancing themselves from it all.

[sagi58]

"Potentially", since they don't have any proof of Ferrari involvement,
Mercedes is distancing themselves from an outright accusation/lawsuit.

They've achieved their goal. Hoyle won't be going to Ferrari.
The lawsuit will "go away". Hoyle doesn't have a job; but, he
doesn't matter, does he? At least, not to Mercedes!

[stonemonkey]

"Potentially", since they don't have any proof of Ferrari involvement,
Mercedes is distancing themselves from an outright accusation/lawsuit.

They've achieved their goal. Hoyle won't be going to Ferrari.
The lawsuit will "go away". Hoyle doesn't have a job; but, he
doesn't matter, does he? At least, not to Mercedes!

If there's anything to the allegations that he accessed data that he wasn't supposed to have access to and copied it to his personal storage devices then no, I wouldn't imagine Mercedes will care too much for him, no company in that situation would.

[sagi58]

Where there is smoke, there may be fire, so I wouldn't dismiss Mercedes' concerns for their intellectual property.
But, it may be something as embarrassing to Mercedes as not having taken necessary precautions so that Hoyle
no longer had access to such "sensitive" data!

Only time will tell, eh?

[stonemonkey]

How he was able to access the data isn't really the issue though will be of concern to Mercedes, it's what he did with it. It's alleged that he searched for the data, copied it to his own personal storage and then tried to cover his tracks by defragging his drive and overwriting with innocuous data.

Theft is theft no matter if the item has been left in easy reach or not. Could a shoplifter use the defence of 'it was just sitting on a shelf not locked away'? Maybe not theft in the eyes of the law in this case, I don't know, but from a contractual point of view within Mercedes it would be seen as such and very much in breach of contract.

If he's innocent then he'll be the one doing the suing but there's no sign of that yet.