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[Big Azza]

Wow I'm totally sorry for voicing my opinion bud. You are quite right.

We'll see how Hamilton goes. I look forward to seeing drivers do well.

And yes I stick by Webber not being a team player. I cite the wing-change controversy as an example. That wing has Red Bull written on it, not Mark Webber. Vettel was leading the championship at that point so the team had the right to give the wing to Vettel, as that would give the team a better chance of scoring in the race.

Of course, the race did not pan out how Red Bull planned, but Webber shouldn't have made a big deal about it.

[bud]

Not denying a voice of opinion but you can't deny people commenting on the opinion, after all that's the whole point of a forum!

And please 2010 GB GP was a farse as shown later in the season, webber was leading the championship with a few races to go and the team didn't put effort behind Webber. They would have taken Webbers wing regardless who was leading the standings at that point! Incase you haven't noticed Vettel is their favorite.

[Big Azza]

I agree with your first point about an opinion on my opinion. Sorry for getting defensive.

As regards to your second point... Vettel still had the chance of winning the championship and in the end it was the best decision. All Webber needed to do was qualify well and get results where it mattered. Vettel's win in Japan, compounded by Webber's mishap in Korea and then poor qualifying in Abu Dhabi just really proved that the team couldn't support Webber.

Vettel up till then had a reputation of pulling away from the front until his car fell apart. Webber was an uncertainty. Would he qualify well? Would he get away from the grid well? Would he build a gap? It was a wild card. At least Vettel was consistent - you knew what to expect. If Webber was genuinely faster than Vettel, Vettel would have made a good number 2 driver. But what could Vettel do? Not qualify well and pull away slower until Webber overtakes him?

And then there was the injury....

[bud]

Yeah as it stood in GB Webber still had a shot at the title too! See the hypocrisy of your comments. Regardless of what ifs later in the season you think Webbers not a team player basically because he wants a fair go!

And the injury?

[acosmichippo]

how the f*** can an australian root for Vettel over Webber, anyway? How does that work?

[geetface9]

how the f*** can an australian root for Vettel over Webber, anyway? How does that work?

Not all of us are confounded by patriotism. I wouldn't root for an american driver purely because he's american. It's all about who you like best, and there are lots of americans that i dont like

[Big Azza]

Yeah as it stood in GB Webber still had a shot at the title too! See the hypocrisy of your comments. Regardless of what ifs later in the season you think Webbers not a team player basically because he wants a fair go!

And the injury?

Mate... What I'm saying is that if the same thing that happened in GB happened in Brazil, for example, Webber would end up with the wing. Otherwise I don't see how the team threw all their support behind Vettel and left Webber in the cold towards the end of the season. That's all in Webber's hands. He was too slow so the team could not seriously throw all their support behind him when the McLarens and Alonso were regularly finishing in front of him.

how the f*** can an australian root for Vettel over Webber, anyway? How does that work?

I think geetface9 answered it pretty much how I would have. I'm not patriotic when it comes to sport. I just want to see the best driver and best team do well. That is my philosophy of motor racing. It is there for technology innovation, not for a show!

The point of motor racing is to be the fastest. If that means domination by one driver then so be it. The rest of the teams need to catch up.

So far this year... I've got a keen eye on Button. However, I think Vettel has had a couple of bad races but will show his strength...

And also, I'm not patriotic at all in life. I don't sing the national anthem, I don't support war, I don't vote, and I don't support this "my country is better than yours" mentality...

But anyway... hopefully this thread hasn't derailed much...

[acosmichippo]

how the f*** can an australian root for Vettel over Webber, anyway? How does that work?

Not all of us are confounded by patriotism. I wouldn't root for an american driver purely because he's american. It's all about who you like best, and there are lots of americans that i dont like

yeah, but how much can you really dislike someone who you only know through the press? Idunno... I generally find F1 drivers to be likable chaps, so I might as well vote for a compatriot if one were to come about. Unfortunately, I probably won't be put in that position for a long time.

[acosmichippo]

And also, I'm not patriotic at all in life. I don't sing the national anthem, I don't support war, I don't vote, and I don't support this "my country is better than yours" mentality...

But you do support this "my driver/team is better than yours" mentality? What's the difference?

And I wouldn't say supporting war, voting, or singing the national anthem are necessary to consider someone patriotic.

(I don't mean for this to sound confrontational, just curious)

[Hammer278]

McLaren - Lewis, because he melted the Iceman at Spa 2008 from when I was lead to believe Kimi wasn't the best on the grid anymore/afterall. Plus, he's a hell of an overtaker and just bloody awesome to watch on track. I'm also probably the only guy on this planet who thinks Button is a 2 face backstabber, which is why I've gone from completely neutral to slightly disliking the guy.

Ferrari - If I ever hated 1 driver with a passion, it was Alonso. But time erodes hate, and I respect his talents as one of the best on the field, and like his calm and collected attitude in Ferrari despite things not going according to plan. Of course, his personality is helped by the media portraying him as a God and his teammate currently making him look like the God among Gods.
Oh, and as for Massa, couldn't give a crap about him if he got fired in the next 5minutes. After last year, I wish the worst for him.

Redbull - Prefer Webber, his personality is quite similar to Hamilton in my view...straight talker and no bullsh*t. He's also quite comic during interviews, I enjoy his presence in F1. Vettel is also quite alright, but he does come across as F1's Justin Bieber which kills it a bit for me.

Mercedes - I prefer Rosberg, though I want Schumacher to do well as well. Rosberg has just been waiting too long for success, and 1 win in 111 starts doesn't justify his talents for me. In a perfect world, he would be in McLaren partnering Lewis and winning races with Lewis.

Lotus - Kimi, my previous favourite until he retired. His comeback was one of the best news I've heard in F1 and I hope he starts winning races before the end of this year again. Grosjean I believe has some serious talent but that's it for now.

Sauber - Kobayashi for sure. But I like Perez as well, though I hope for the Koba to beat Perez this year and it's going to be one tough challenge but I still believe he can do it.

Caterham - I like Heikki's attitude in this team, he's a real asset. Sadly I think he had his opportunities to shine and screwed it up. Reminds me of Fisichella, fantastic when handling a difficult car in midfield, but just can't cut it mentally at the sharp end of the grid.

HRT - Have a soft spot for Karthik, as I thought he was going to be a star when he came into F1 in Jordan many years back. Was outperforming his teammate and always looked at the ragged edge, commentators were going crazy about him whenever he was on a qualifying lap. And then for some reason, he faded out and left F1 and became someone forgotten.


The rest, don't really care.

[geetface9]

how the f*** can an australian root for Vettel over Webber, anyway? How does that work?

Not all of us are confounded by patriotism. I wouldn't root for an american driver purely because he's american. It's all about who you like best, and there are lots of americans that i dont like

yeah, but how much can you really dislike someone who you only know through the press? Idunno... I generally find F1 drivers to be likable chaps, so I might as well vote for a compatriot if one were to come about. Unfortunately, I probably won't be put in that position for a long time.

How much can you really like someone you only know through the press? Really, it's different sides of the same coin. I don't like vettel because of his antics in 2010 and because he generally seems like somebody I would have made fun of in grade school, and I like webber cuz he seems like somebody i'd get along with cuz of his gruff attitude...all based on what I've seen through the press.

And also, I'm not patriotic at all in life. I don't sing the national anthem, I don't support war, I don't vote, and I don't support this "my country is better than yours" mentality...

But you do support this "my driver/team is better than yours" mentality? What's the difference?

Supporting someone purely because they're a compatriot is understandable, though I would need more than that to...idk..."emotionally invest" myself in a driver the way I have webber. America is just where I live. Dirt is dirt and rocks are rocks no matter where you are on the planet, and borders are just invisible lines our ancestors drew on a map, so supporting a driver only due to patriotism seems hollow to me. Now, if a new american driver shows up on the grid that I know nothing about, I'll give him a chance to prove himself. But at the end of the day, if he's a tw@t that I can't stand, he'll get the " you" treatment just like I'd give vettel, american or not!

However, I will admit, if an american driver showed up and started dominating, I'd take every chance possible to aggravate my british buddies here on the forum with silly pokes and prods about it, don't you doubt!!

[Hammer278]

Supporting someone purely because they're a compatriot is understandable, though I would need more than that to...idk..."emotionally invest" myself in a driver the way I have webber. America is just where I live. Dirt is dirt and rocks are rocks no matter where you are on the planet, and borders are just invisible lines our ancestors drew on a map, so supporting a driver only due to patriotism seems hollow to me. Now, if a new american driver shows up on the grid that I know nothing about, I'll give him a chance to prove himself. But at the end of the day, if he's a tw@t that I can't stand, he'll get the " you" treatment just like I'd give vettel, american or not!

However, I will admit, if an american driver showed up and started dominating, I'd take every chance possible to aggravate my british buddies here on the forum with silly pokes and prods about it, don't you doubt!!

From what I've read so far, I think you're one of the few on this forum I could have a beer with.

[Big Azza]

And also, I'm not patriotic at all in life. I don't sing the national anthem, I don't support war, I don't vote, and I don't support this "my country is better than yours" mentality...

But you do support this "my driver/team is better than yours" mentality? What's the difference?

And I wouldn't say supporting war, voting, or singing the national anthem are necessary to consider someone patriotic.

(I don't mean for this to sound confrontational, just curious)

I have a favourite food - it's custard. But that's not really how I feel about F1 drivers.

For me it's quite simple. I have this wierd fetish for racing that separates it from any other sport. I just like who I perceive to be the best driver and team - or talent.

Remember - I'm a guy who prefers qualifying over racing... So we know I'm unreasonable. But there's something about Formula One and perfection that just appeals to me. Hence I have Vettel's quote as my signature... extract the maximum.

I like the idea of someone being so intune to their car and the race around them... Vettel's qually laps are just perfect for me.

And a team for their vision... Toro Rosso seem to be the only team with a vision to bring new talent to the sport in a well-controlled environment. But where they disappoint me is their ability to move forward.

[geetface9]

Supporting someone purely because they're a compatriot is understandable, though I would need more than that to...idk..."emotionally invest" myself in a driver the way I have webber. America is just where I live. Dirt is dirt and rocks are rocks no matter where you are on the planet, and borders are just invisible lines our ancestors drew on a map, so supporting a driver only due to patriotism seems hollow to me. Now, if a new american driver shows up on the grid that I know nothing about, I'll give him a chance to prove himself. But at the end of the day, if he's a tw@t that I can't stand, he'll get the " you" treatment just like I'd give vettel, american or not!

However, I will admit, if an american driver showed up and started dominating, I'd take every chance possible to aggravate my british buddies here on the forum with silly pokes and prods about it, don't you doubt!!

From what I've read so far, I think you're one of the few on this forum I could have a beer with.

If that were a possibility I'd be happy to do that!! This is the best I can do for now though, so Cheers!!

[LewEngBridewell]

Supporting someone purely because they're a compatriot is understandable, though I would need more than that to...idk..."emotionally invest" myself in a driver the way I have webber. America is just where I live. Dirt is dirt and rocks are rocks no matter where you are on the planet, and borders are just invisible lines our ancestors drew on a map, so supporting a driver only due to patriotism seems hollow to me. Now, if a new american driver shows up on the grid that I know nothing about, I'll give him a chance to prove himself. But at the end of the day, if he's a tw@t that I can't stand, he'll get the " you" treatment just like I'd give vettel, american or not!

However, I will admit, if an american driver showed up and started dominating, I'd take every chance possible to aggravate my british buddies here on the forum with silly pokes and prods about it, don't you doubt!!

From what I've read so far, I think you're one of the few on this forum I could have a beer with.

If that were a possibility I'd be happy to do that!! This is the best I can do for now though, so Cheers!!

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I'd happily join you.