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[Hamilonso]

I dont mean it as a put down, but people with ideas and opinions like yours in this subject andrew, would be the FIRST to curl up in a ball, cry your eyes out, and s*** your thomas the tank pants if you were to live in a country like that, you will NEVER know if you dont know already how good you have it living in this " corrupt, hypocritical " blah blah society.

Its only because of the hard work western countries like the US and UK have done over the years for their own peoples rights that your even allowed do diss them so, have a little think about that.

Even the dodgy stuff like securing oil by dealing with murderous crackpots is done to secure the nations peoples supply of oil, everything they do whether they succeed or not is done to protect and serve the people.

Colonel Gaddafi was a tyrant, if you truly think he wasnt bad then you cant be helped, the evidence is crystal.

[vlad]

Blindness, blindness...

[Hamilonso]

Blindness, blindness...

Ignorance is bliss didnt you know?

[darwin dali]

Even the dodgy stuff like securing oil by dealing with murderous crackpots is done to secure the nations peoples supply of oil, everything they do whether they succeed or not is done to protect and serve the people.

I want some of what you've been smoking!


BTW: you do know what the main motivator in capitalistic countries is, don't you?

[vlad]

He's blind.

[Hamilonso]

Even the dodgy stuff like securing oil by dealing with murderous crackpots is done to secure the nations peoples supply of oil, everything they do whether they succeed or not is done to protect and serve the people.

I want some of what you've been smoking!


BTW: you do know what the main motivator in capitalistic countries is, don't you?

Whats wrong with what i said first, then ill answer your question.

Either way guess who gets the last laugh, me. Cause you guys are moaning with your tin hats and im pretty content with how my government runs things.

[andrew]

I dont mean it as a put down, but people with ideas and opinions like yours in this subject andrew, would be the FIRST to curl up in a ball, cry your eyes out, and s*** your thomas the tank pants if you were to live in a country like that, you will NEVER know if you dont know already how good you have it living in this " corrupt, hypocritical " blah blah society.

If you don't mean it as a put down, what else do you mean it as? Don't matter how you dress it up you're still saying ain't you? But your opening statement is total bovine manure. You don't know me and don't know anything about me so it is foolish and pointless to make wild and baseless assumptions.

So what you're saying is that because I live in the UK which is possibly one the safer nations in the world, I should be happy with the Government no matter what they do in my name? Well that's crap. It's supposedly a democracy so if I want to have a negative view of the actions done by the Government then that is my right.

Even the dodgy stuff like securing oil by dealing with murderous crackpots is done to secure the nations peoples supply of oil, everything they do whether they succeed or not is done to protect and serve the people.

As for muderous crackpots, you might want to check who ran the UK and US. But it's OK, they were on our side. It's OK people. Us whiteys are allowed to kill foreigners as long as we get cheap oil. That's your attitude isn't it? Pathetic! Doesn't matter if a war was illegal but we got some cheap oil and construction contracts so its all good.

Colonel Gaddafi was a tyrant, if you truly think he wasnt bad then you cant be helped, the evidence is crystal.

Was he? You know this for certain or have you just heard this from a biased western media? The evidence is not crystal, only one side of the coin has been seen.

Either way, can I have some of what your smoking seeing as your sharing it with Vlad and DD?

[Hamilonso]

What you after an 1/8th?, I can get you some good quality stuff but youll have to trust me on the quantity not being able to show you ma scales and such.

My priority dealer got busted by the way so sniff has gone right up.

[zurich_allan]

Ok, well I'd like to add a view that is not perpetuated by Western media then - I'll pass along the thoughts of a couple of the several Libyan friends I have, some of whom live here, and some of whom live in Tripoli.

As background, the guys I'm talking about worked (some are still working here in the UK) on an exchange programme, and I've known them for about four / five years. They range from about 23 to 45 years old. They're all directly from Libya and were all brought up there.

They all without exception told me that they thought Gaddafi was insane. Two in particular that were going back to Libya last year were genuinely worried about having to go home, as they said they might be questioned by government officials about their activities in the UK etc. even though they were purely here for educational purposes.

As soon as the conflict started over there I contacted them to make sure they were ok. Thankfully I had some communication with themand they confirmed that they were fine. They said things were chaotic, but that they were ok. They were terrified of the army etc.

Then I became increasingly worried as communication from both stopped completely. As it turns out, there was a complete media and communications blackout put in force by Gaddafi and his forces to stop telephone messages, internet etc.

It was only a couple of months later when the (at the time) rebels took over Tripoli that communications were restored and I found out they were still ok.

They're overjoyed now that what they perceive to have been two-three generations of fear and civilians being tortured and killed is over. (I'm not so sure how stable the country will be in the short term, but that's a completely different issue.).

I'm not saying that I agree with the actions of Gaddafi being arbitrarily and sumarily executed (I don't, but again that's another issue). What I am saying is that I have direct contact with Libyan nationals both in this country, and in Libya, and they all without exception are telling me exactly what the western media has been.

[Hamilonso]

Are we allowed to post gory pics of some of our forumners dearly departed saviour of man on here, i got a nice one where his face is all droopy covered in blood.

[stonemonkey]

He was into car design and safety:

http://www.autoblog.com/2009/09/02/liby ... -safe-car/

I think the idea was that in the event of a head on or front/rear crash, the pointy front and rear would sort of deflect the cars sideways.

[LewEngBridewell]

Well I have no respect for Colonel Gaddafi, I think he's a jerk, but as certain members have pointed out, this is just biased Western media.

HOWEVER, I strolled into Tesco and was greeted with tabloid front pages emblazoned with pictures of Colonel Gaddafi with a face dripping in blood and a bullet-hole in his head. There were kids running round and pointing curiously at the pictures of this dead man.

In my opinion, to milk the death of a person in such a way, no matter how much of a b*****d they were, is just unacceptable.

[andrew]

Well I have no respect for Colonel Gaddafi, I think he's a jerk, but as certain members have pointed out, this is just biased Western media.

HOWEVER, I strolled into Tesco and was greeted with tabloid front pages emblazoned with pictures of Colonel Gaddafi with a face dripping in blood and a bullet-hole in his head. There were kids running round and pointing curiously at the pictures of this dead man.

In my opinion, to milk the death of a person in such a way, no matter how much of a b*****d they were, is just unacceptable.

Ah, British media at its finest. Little wonder why I rarely waste money on a paper.

All political leaders do some good and all do some bad. Only with some only the bad things are remembered and with others what is perceived to be good is remembered. Colonel Gaddafi could have spent years giving millions of pounds to homes for stray cats and dogs but we'd likely never hear about it because it doesn't sell papers (ok it's most likely that he didn't but you see my point). People want to read about the bad stuff only. Death and destruction sells news, sad but true.

On another note, why is it that in the newspaper racks, the Daily Sport container is covered yet it is ok to show a person with a bullet hole and blood pouring out uncensored. Same with pornography publications. Shoved on the top shelt in covers so you can't see the content, despite the content pertaining to one of the most basic and natural human functions. Surely that is more offensive to minors or are we to assume that tits are evil and corrupt us all? To be honest, if I had kids and had a choice of them seeing a naked woman or a dead body in gruesome detail which in a film would have at least a 15 rating I'd choose the naked women any day - it's easier to explain than why someone has been killed and is being paraded for all and sundry to see. Totally unacceptable in my book too.

[stonemonkey]

All political leaders do some good and all do some bad. Only with some only the bad things are remembered and with others what is perceived to be good is remembered. Colonel Gaddafi could have spent years giving millions of pounds to homes for stray cats and dogs but we'd likely never hear about it because it doesn't sell papers (ok it's most likely that he didn't but you see my point). People want to read about the bad stuff only. Death and destruction sells news, sad but true.

Look up the Great Man Made River.

[racechick]

All political leaders do some good and all do some bad. Only with some only the bad things are remembered and with others what is perceived to be good is remembered. Colonel Gaddafi could have spent years giving millions of pounds to homes for stray cats and dogs but we'd likely never hear about it because it doesn't sell papers (ok it's most likely that he didn't but you see my point). People want to read about the bad stuff only. Death and destruction sells news, sad but true.

Look up the Great Man Made River.

Wow. Thats incredible. I knew nothing of that project.