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#155943
You lot are harsh on the guy. He shouldnt have done it, of course not, but we can have no idcea of the pressure he was put under.
#155947
You lot are harsh on the guy. He shouldnt have done it, of course not, but we can have no idcea of the pressure he was put under.


Does that matter? If I tell you to kill someone and you do it, no plea of pressure and stress will save you like it saved Piquet. He endangered lives, he deserves everything we throw at him.
#155950
You lot are harsh on the guy. He shouldnt have done it, of course not, but we can have no idcea of the pressure he was put under.


Does that matter? If I tell you to kill someone and you do it, no plea of pressure and stress will save you like it saved Piquet. He endangered lives, he deserves everything we throw at him.


I know he did and it was wrong ,I said that, but he was less culpable than those employing him and putting him in the situation. All i'm saying is mayhbe a little understanding of his situation wouldnt go amiss.
#155951
You lot are harsh on the guy. He shouldnt have done it, of course not, but we can have no idcea of the pressure he was put under.


Does that matter? If I tell you to kill someone and you do it, no plea of pressure and stress will save you like it saved Piquet. He endangered lives, he deserves everything we throw at him.


I know he did and it was wrong ,I said that, but he was less culpable than those employing him and putting him in the situation. All i'm saying is mayhbe a little understanding of his situation wouldnt go amiss.


Hardly. At the end of the day, the final call lay with Piquet and his right foot. He chose to floor it, thus he is no better than the others.
#155952
The prospect of losing Piquet Jnr will NOT be a great loss to the world of F1. I really don't blame Piquet for wanting to please his employer - he wanted to please Briatore and vindicate the faith in him. Sportsmen in all professions will do whatever they need to achieve their ambitions. But of course Piquet blew it and made completely the wrong decision. His ambition was dangerous, misguided and foolish.

There is no such thing as bad publicity. Piquet will race again, certainly in single seaters and maybe even in F1. But I for one really do not feel sorry for him. The rewards are great in F1, but there should be no place in the sport for those that take risks with other peoples' lives.

There will be plenty of talented drivers ready to take Piquet's place - and they will know better than to make such an inexcusable decision with their career.
#155953
You lot are harsh on the guy. He shouldnt have done it, of course not, but we can have no idcea of the pressure he was put under.


Does that matter? If I tell you to kill someone and you do it, no plea of pressure and stress will save you like it saved Piquet. He endangered lives, he deserves everything we throw at him.


I know he did and it was wrong ,I said that, but he was less culpable than those employing him and putting him in the situation. All i'm saying is mayhbe a little understanding of his situation wouldnt go amiss.


Hardly. At the end of the day, the final call lay with Piquet and his right foot. He chose to floor it, thus he is no better than the others.


Well I disagree. He was young trying to please, in an impossible situation and he made a wrong choice.Its easy to criticise when you're not in that position.
#155954
He was a professional race car driver...in F1 no less. If any amount of pressure causes him to do something ethically, morally or professionally wrong...he is in the wrong business. Pressure is something that every racing driver learns to deal with...or they ball up car after car until they leave the sport. An F1 driver should suckle on pressure like it's his mothers milk. If he can't...then he needs to be gone...which is what has happened here.

Let me ask you this. IF Nelson was half the driver that Alonso is and was capable of even a semi decent finish at Singapore...would they have asked him to throw a multi-million pound car against the wall? That in itself should say something for his skills. Crashing the car is better for the team than letting him race it. Again, I don't really care all that much that he crashed...being that I highly doubt it's the first time such a tactic has been employed in F1....it's the outing of his team and crying victim that I can't stand. I couldn't stand it when Lewis did it a few months ago (they made me lie...whoa is me...oh god the pressure)...and I can't stand it now with Junior. If you can't take the pressure of F1 without doing something you are going to cry about later....then get out and stay out of F1.
#155955
You lot are harsh on the guy. He shouldnt have done it, of course not, but we can have no idcea of the pressure he was put under.


Does that matter? If I tell you to kill someone and you do it, no plea of pressure and stress will save you like it saved Piquet. He endangered lives, he deserves everything we throw at him.


I know he did and it was wrong ,I said that, but he was less culpable than those employing him and putting him in the situation. All i'm saying is mayhbe a little understanding of his situation wouldnt go amiss.


Hardly. At the end of the day, the final call lay with Piquet and his right foot. He chose to floor it, thus he is no better than the others.


Well I disagree. He was young trying to please, in an impossible situation and he made a wrong choice.Its easy to criticise when you're not in that position.


I'm sorry, but as we've seen this year, debris from race cars can seriously injure and even kill people. This has been proven in the past, too. What Piquet did is inexcusable. Lying (like Lewis did) is one thing, intentionally crashing your car is another.
#155959
You lot are harsh on the guy. He shouldnt have done it, of course not, but we can have no idcea of the pressure he was put under.


Does that matter? If I tell you to kill someone and you do it, no plea of pressure and stress will save you like it saved Piquet. He endangered lives, he deserves everything we throw at him.


I know he did and it was wrong ,I said that, but he was less culpable than those employing him and putting him in the situation. All i'm saying is mayhbe a little understanding of his situation wouldnt go amiss.


Hardly. At the end of the day, the final call lay with Piquet and his right foot. He chose to floor it, thus he is no better than the others.


Well I disagree. He was young trying to please, in an impossible situation and he made a wrong choice.Its easy to criticise when you're not in that position.


I'm sorry, but as we've seen this year, debris from race cars can seriously injure and even kill people. This has been proven in the past, too. What Piquet did is inexcusable. Lying (like Lewis did) is one thing, intentionally crashing your car is another.


I know. Its not excusable. I just feel for him.
#155960
He was a professional race car driver...in F1 no less. If any amount of pressure causes him to do something ethically, morally or professionally wrong...he is in the wrong business. Pressure is something that every racing driver learns to deal with...or they ball up car after car until they leave the sport. An F1 driver should suckle on pressure like it's his mothers milk. If he can't...then he needs to be gone...which is what has happened here.

Let me ask you this. IF Nelson was half the driver that Alonso is and was capable of even a semi decent finish at Singapore...would they have asked him to throw a multi-million pound car against the wall? That in itself should say something for his skills. Crashing the car is better for the team than letting him race it. Again, I don't really care all that much that he crashed...being that I highly doubt it's the first time such a tactic has been employed in F1....it's the outing of his team and crying victim that I can't stand. I couldn't stand it when Lewis did it a few months ago (they made me lie...whoa is me...oh god the pressure)...and I can't stand it now with Junior. If you can't take the pressure of F1 without doing something you are going to cry about later....then get out and stay out of F1.


Lewis did ziltch compared to what goes on in this business. The real criminals are the powerbrokers pulling all the strings. And dont put Alonso on a pedastal cos his paws are on this scandal just like they were all over the McLaren one. Alonso screwed McLaren-remember? Outing his team. And he got off. What Piquet did was undoubtably worse but like you said these things have happened before. If Renault were not satisfied with Piquet's driving then they could have parted company, they didnt have to tell him to crash the car.
#155963
Hypocrisy aside, we've All been wronged and occasionally "reacted" when we shouldn't have; I know I sure as hell have.

That said, live and learn upon Piquet's defense.
#155966
He was a professional race car driver...in F1 no less. If any amount of pressure causes him to do something ethically, morally or professionally wrong...he is in the wrong business. Pressure is something that every racing driver learns to deal with...or they ball up car after car until they leave the sport. An F1 driver should suckle on pressure like it's his mothers milk. If he can't...then he needs to be gone...which is what has happened here.

Let me ask you this. IF Nelson was half the driver that Alonso is and was capable of even a semi decent finish at Singapore...would they have asked him to throw a multi-million pound car against the wall? That in itself should say something for his skills. Crashing the car is better for the team than letting him race it. Again, I don't really care all that much that he crashed...being that I highly doubt it's the first time such a tactic has been employed in F1....it's the outing of his team and crying victim that I can't stand. I couldn't stand it when Lewis did it a few months ago (they made me lie...whoa is me...oh god the pressure)...and I can't stand it now with Junior. If you can't take the pressure of F1 without doing something you are going to cry about later....then get out and stay out of F1.


Lewis did ziltch compared to what goes on in this business. The real criminals are the powerbrokers pulling all the strings. And dont put Alonso on a pedastal cos his paws are on this scandal just like they were all over the McLaren one. Alonso screwed McLaren-remember? Outing his team. And he got off. What Piquet did was undoubtably worse but like you said these things have happened before. If Renault were not satisfied with Piquet's driving then they could have parted company, they didnt have to tell him to crash the car.


Alonso's paws are not on this and they certainly were not on the McLaren scandal. He didn't out his team, he refused to lie for them when called in front of the FIA. He didn't volunteer anything until pulled in front of a board of inquiry...at which point I would fully expect him to do what he did and tell the truth. The opposite of what Lewis did when confronted with the same decision this year. Alonso told the truth, Lewis lied and then lied again...and then cried in front of the press. When the s*** hit the fan...Alonso looked out for himself. I can't blame him for that, being as McLaren was never looking out for him. As for Piquet, we can argue this out until F1 is running on battery power and tires are made of recycled vegetables...but the fact is the man acted strictly from vengeance when he outed the team. There was no moral center or need to cleanse his soul, he was being vengeful and childish...and whether you believe his driving EVER showed any promise or not....I will place my bet that he never sees the inside of an F1 car again.
#155967
He was a professional race car driver...in F1 no less. If any amount of pressure causes him to do something ethically, morally or professionally wrong...he is in the wrong business. Pressure is something that every racing driver learns to deal with...or they ball up car after car until they leave the sport. An F1 driver should suckle on pressure like it's his mothers milk. If he can't...then he needs to be gone...which is what has happened here.

Let me ask you this. IF Nelson was half the driver that Alonso is and was capable of even a semi decent finish at Singapore...would they have asked him to throw a multi-million pound car against the wall? That in itself should say something for his skills. Crashing the car is better for the team than letting him race it. Again, I don't really care all that much that he crashed...being that I highly doubt it's the first time such a tactic has been employed in F1....it's the outing of his team and crying victim that I can't stand. I couldn't stand it when Lewis did it a few months ago (they made me lie...whoa is me...oh god the pressure)...and I can't stand it now with Junior. If you can't take the pressure of F1 without doing something you are going to cry about later....then get out and stay out of F1.


Lewis did ziltch compared to what goes on in this business. The real criminals are the powerbrokers pulling all the strings. And dont put Alonso on a pedastal cos his paws are on this scandal just like they were all over the McLaren one. Alonso screwed McLaren-remember? Outing his team. And he got off. What Piquet did was undoubtably worse but like you said these things have happened before. If Renault were not satisfied with Piquet's driving then they could have parted company, they didnt have to tell him to crash the car.


Alonso's paws are not on this and they certainly were not on the McLaren scandal. He didn't out his team, he refused to lie for them when called in front of the FIA. He didn't volunteer anything until pulled in front of a board of inquiry...at which point I would fully expect him to do what he did and tell the truth. The opposite of what Lewis did when confronted with the same decision this year. Alonso told the truth, Lewis lied and then lied again...and then cried in front of the press. When the s*** hit the fan...Alonso looked out for himself. I can't blame him for that, being as McLaren was never looking out for him. As for Piquet, we can argue this out until F1 is running on battery power and tires are made of recycled vegetables...but the fact is the man acted strictly from vengeance when he outed the team. There was no moral center or need to cleanse his soul, he was being vengeful and childish...and whether you believe his driving EVER showed any promise or not....I will place my bet that he never sees the inside of an F1 car again.


Wrong, he was right in the McLaren scandal. When not given preferential treatment he said he had emails on his laptop and was going to the FIA with them At which point Dennis went to the FIA . Thats called blackmail. Pretty similar to Piquet by all accounts. Given me what I want or else.McLaren gave him ample chance to beat a rookie but he couldnt so he resorted to blackmail.Ok he drives better than Piquet but that doesnt make his wrong doings any better.
#155972
He was a professional race car driver...in F1 no less. If any amount of pressure causes him to do something ethically, morally or professionally wrong...he is in the wrong business. Pressure is something that every racing driver learns to deal with...or they ball up car after car until they leave the sport. An F1 driver should suckle on pressure like it's his mothers milk. If he can't...then he needs to be gone...which is what has happened here.

Let me ask you this. IF Nelson was half the driver that Alonso is and was capable of even a semi decent finish at Singapore...would they have asked him to throw a multi-million pound car against the wall? That in itself should say something for his skills. Crashing the car is better for the team than letting him race it. Again, I don't really care all that much that he crashed...being that I highly doubt it's the first time such a tactic has been employed in F1....it's the outing of his team and crying victim that I can't stand. I couldn't stand it when Lewis did it a few months ago (they made me lie...whoa is me...oh god the pressure)...and I can't stand it now with Junior. If you can't take the pressure of F1 without doing something you are going to cry about later....then get out and stay out of F1.


Lewis did ziltch compared to what goes on in this business. The real criminals are the powerbrokers pulling all the strings. And dont put Alonso on a pedastal cos his paws are on this scandal just like they were all over the McLaren one. Alonso screwed McLaren-remember? Outing his team. And he got off. What Piquet did was undoubtably worse but like you said these things have happened before. If Renault were not satisfied with Piquet's driving then they could have parted company, they didnt have to tell him to crash the car.


Alonso's paws are not on this and they certainly were not on the McLaren scandal. He didn't out his team, he refused to lie for them when called in front of the FIA. He didn't volunteer anything until pulled in front of a board of inquiry...at which point I would fully expect him to do what he did and tell the truth. The opposite of what Lewis did when confronted with the same decision this year. Alonso told the truth, Lewis lied and then lied again...and then cried in front of the press. When the s*** hit the fan...Alonso looked out for himself. I can't blame him for that, being as McLaren was never looking out for him. As for Piquet, we can argue this out until F1 is running on battery power and tires are made of recycled vegetables...but the fact is the man acted strictly from vengeance when he outed the team. There was no moral center or need to cleanse his soul, he was being vengeful and childish...and whether you believe his driving EVER showed any promise or not....I will place my bet that he never sees the inside of an F1 car again.


Wrong, he was right in the McLaren scandal. When not given preferential treatment he said he had emails on his laptop and was going to the FIA with them At which point Dennis went to the FIA . Thats called blackmail. Pretty similar to Piquet by all accounts. Given me what I want or else.McLaren gave him ample chance to beat a rookie but he couldnt so he resorted to blackmail.Ok he drives better than Piquet but that doesnt make his wrong doings any better.



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#155982
He was a professional race car driver...in F1 no less. If any amount of pressure causes him to do something ethically, morally or professionally wrong...he is in the wrong business. Pressure is something that every racing driver learns to deal with...or they ball up car after car until they leave the sport. An F1 driver should suckle on pressure like it's his mothers milk. If he can't...then he needs to be gone...which is what has happened here.

Let me ask you this. IF Nelson was half the driver that Alonso is and was capable of even a semi decent finish at Singapore...would they have asked him to throw a multi-million pound car against the wall? That in itself should say something for his skills. Crashing the car is better for the team than letting him race it. Again, I don't really care all that much that he crashed...being that I highly doubt it's the first time such a tactic has been employed in F1....it's the outing of his team and crying victim that I can't stand. I couldn't stand it when Lewis did it a few months ago (they made me lie...whoa is me...oh god the pressure)...and I can't stand it now with Junior. If you can't take the pressure of F1 without doing something you are going to cry about later....then get out and stay out of F1.


Lewis did ziltch compared to what goes on in this business. The real criminals are the powerbrokers pulling all the strings. And dont put Alonso on a pedastal cos his paws are on this scandal just like they were all over the McLaren one. Alonso screwed McLaren-remember? Outing his team. And he got off. What Piquet did was undoubtably worse but like you said these things have happened before. If Renault were not satisfied with Piquet's driving then they could have parted company, they didnt have to tell him to crash the car.


Alonso's paws are not on this and they certainly were not on the McLaren scandal. He didn't out his team, he refused to lie for them when called in front of the FIA. He didn't volunteer anything until pulled in front of a board of inquiry...at which point I would fully expect him to do what he did and tell the truth. The opposite of what Lewis did when confronted with the same decision this year. Alonso told the truth, Lewis lied and then lied again...and then cried in front of the press. When the s*** hit the fan...Alonso looked out for himself. I can't blame him for that, being as McLaren was never looking out for him. As for Piquet, we can argue this out until F1 is running on battery power and tires are made of recycled vegetables...but the fact is the man acted strictly from vengeance when he outed the team. There was no moral center or need to cleanse his soul, he was being vengeful and childish...and whether you believe his driving EVER showed any promise or not....I will place my bet that he never sees the inside of an F1 car again.


bullpoo!!!!:thumbdown::thumbdown::thumbdown:

I agree with Racechick. I would've mentioned this earlier too had I've thought of it! What Alonso did was exactly like what Piquet has done. He snitched for 2 reasons: he was sooking about not being given preferential treatment and he only snitched when he was brought in front of the stewards, by that time he didn't care if he was getting a contract or not, he was leaving them anyway. Exactly the same as Piquet.

I now respect Alonso, because he has proven himself. But all you guys here are chucking s*** at Piquet because you hated him to start off with. Don't give me all the Alonso is God crap. All your viewpoints about Piquet are strictly bias, and he should be given just as much a chance as Alonso was.

Alonso would've continued lying if he wasn't brought in front of the stewards, and he most likely would've snitched on them when he was safely out of McLaren. On top of that he is an extremely professional driver and a dual world champion. He should've known better than Piquet, who was in his debut season.

On top of that Alonso drove that McLaren knowing very well that it wasn't legit, yet he still drove, and he even won races in that car, knowing full well that what he was doing wrong. I think it's interesting that Briatore was banned forever from the sport and Symonds for 5 years, while Piquet got nothing. Why? Because he is less innocent than them.

He is also less innocent than Senna, Prost, Schumacher and Alonso in the spy-gate scandal. :wink:

I hope to see Piquet back in the sport next year...
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